Would you buy a hybrid 911 (992.2)
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I’m sure it will be a fabulous car and have everything a hybrid car buyer wants but I’m not a hybrid car buyer. I have no interest in buying one. I specced my 7MT 992.1 Targa GTS with as little tech as possible and will just keep that now and probably try to pick up a 70’s restomod Carrera or a targa at some stage also. Don’t have much enthusiasm for the ever increasing tech that artificially detaches me from full control of the car and power plant.
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I will be at the dealer's doorstep on May 28th paying a down payment for my allocation. Hell Ya, I'm getting one! Why not, I want to experience that anomaly!
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I’ve driven air cooled and water cooled 911s. Why not a hybrid? Times change and Porsche endures.
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There was been major misirformation in this discussion on what a hybrid T-HUB engineering wise. This is not a hybrid car as we know it that uses a battery to save fuel. The hybrid technology is used to boost the performance of the car and offer a NA like linear response.
I am not saying this is good or bad but if you are less than a certain age and you want to continue buying newer 911 models the majority of the models will use this texh for now.
Based in the nice turnout of events with Euro 7 abd the Italian (Ferrari) intervention by Meloni the ICE engine gets much more extended lifetime.
Unfortunately car companies had to react very fast because of the short times of 6 a/b/c/d/e but as before euro 7 changes this.
Now I do not Porsche roadmap for the 911 based on Euro 7. But I guess it is affected.
If we are getting hybrids for now eg 10 years then fully electric for 10 years and then in the future sustainable fuel engines then gid knows - please note timespans are hypothetical.
But at the end of the day at lesst 4 things are certain for me:
1) We are in the fortunate position to experience new technologies. I am actually excited for this - i am not pro or against since the result in terms of driving experience is unknown but these are interesting times. We are pretty lucky to experience 3 different engine types in cars.
2) 997 but even more so the 991 and the 992 are perfect sportscars and are always available to buy. Same with equivalent mclaren and ferrari cars. So you always have the option to go back but also to check now tech. And with the porsche classic program where the pcm is updated to latest tech and oarts are available porsche has a major advantage and hugebrange if excellent cars to choose from.
3) As above U’Eero 7 will delay some things and combustion engine get a new extended life. As before that does not mean it will stay unassisted of hybrid tech
4) Study the eturbo tech drom Borg Warner and Garrett to understand what an eumturbo is and oart of the hybrid part means for these car. It is state of art, it is used in racing and might actually improve the cars. It certainly though has nothing to do with fuel saving and battery nased typical hybrid tech that most people think the 911 will get.
I am not saying this is good or bad but if you are less than a certain age and you want to continue buying newer 911 models the majority of the models will use this texh for now.
Based in the nice turnout of events with Euro 7 abd the Italian (Ferrari) intervention by Meloni the ICE engine gets much more extended lifetime.
Unfortunately car companies had to react very fast because of the short times of 6 a/b/c/d/e but as before euro 7 changes this.
Now I do not Porsche roadmap for the 911 based on Euro 7. But I guess it is affected.
If we are getting hybrids for now eg 10 years then fully electric for 10 years and then in the future sustainable fuel engines then gid knows - please note timespans are hypothetical.
But at the end of the day at lesst 4 things are certain for me:
1) We are in the fortunate position to experience new technologies. I am actually excited for this - i am not pro or against since the result in terms of driving experience is unknown but these are interesting times. We are pretty lucky to experience 3 different engine types in cars.
2) 997 but even more so the 991 and the 992 are perfect sportscars and are always available to buy. Same with equivalent mclaren and ferrari cars. So you always have the option to go back but also to check now tech. And with the porsche classic program where the pcm is updated to latest tech and oarts are available porsche has a major advantage and hugebrange if excellent cars to choose from.
3) As above U’Eero 7 will delay some things and combustion engine get a new extended life. As before that does not mean it will stay unassisted of hybrid tech
4) Study the eturbo tech drom Borg Warner and Garrett to understand what an eumturbo is and oart of the hybrid part means for these car. It is state of art, it is used in racing and might actually improve the cars. It certainly though has nothing to do with fuel saving and battery nased typical hybrid tech that most people think the 911 will get.
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Hybrid can be Prius.... but it can also be McLaren P1 and 918 Spyder
The 918 is 10 years old already, so hardly "new" technology
I think it will be damn good when we actually see it
The 918 is 10 years old already, so hardly "new" technology
I think it will be damn good when we actually see it
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We know it’s super fast and quick. Faster than Turbo S around the ring. Not sure it’s for me but to each his own. The Vette ERay is same/similar concept and already gone below MSRP. Most people don’t want them.
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And again this is not a hybrid to save fuel and costs. It is a hybrid to lower emissions but most importantly the goal is to provise a full linear throttle response like a NA engine and remove completely turbo lag.
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I have a question.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
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@silversurfer6 Spot on!
I'm looking forward to seeing what other technologies are coming with the 992.2 . A friend of mine was in Stuttgart yesterday at Porsche for the new Panamera drive experience, and someone whispered in his ear that 992.2 might have the same Active Suspension as the Panamera.
I'm looking forward to seeing what other technologies are coming with the 992.2 . A friend of mine was in Stuttgart yesterday at Porsche for the new Panamera drive experience, and someone whispered in his ear that 992.2 might have the same Active Suspension as the Panamera.
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No
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I have a question.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
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I have a question.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
Those that are against hybrid tech and are let’s say less than 50 years old and have the capability to buy new cars every few years.
What will you be buying? 992.2 range will have more hybrid than pure ice cars. Let’s assume that 994 will only be hybrids or full ev. What will you be doing the next 30 years?
This is mainly for people that a 911 is mostly their everyday car.
Will you be staying with vintage cars? eg after 10-20 years a 992.1 will be similar to a 997 now which is not really an everyday car compared to the 991 and even much worse to a 992 for an everyday car.
And I base this on my experience. I have a 997 which i have driven to over 100k kms everyday for 10 years. But I also have a 991 and 992 and these are what I drive everyday - mostly 992, the tech is better and is even more comfortable. I am guessing if i can and buy a 994 or even the one after that - even if hybrid or completely EV, these would be the cars I would want to drive everyday compared to the 992.1/991/997.
Again I was not supporting this electric evolution/change. But it has happened and it is what is it. If you dont support it, at a later stage you will only be buying vintage cars - but the term vintage cars will not only mean ice only but less safety, less tech, less performance, less linear response and so on.
It is something to think about in my opinion.
Personally I only can own one 911. I would like that 911 to be as close to its roots as possible. In that case I will go for a full ICE 911 to have the same iconic experience that it’s known for.
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I would consider a hybrid 911 in the future, but I am hesitant to become an early adopter of the technology. I feel that my RAV4 has been very trust worthy and never has given me a problem. But in the case of Toyota they have been doing hybrids for a long time so it was easy for me to go this route over a regular RAV4. In a Porsche, BMW, Mercedes, etc. I realize that the hybrid technology is for different reasons (not necessarily fuel economy), but if I spend more for a vehicle I don't want it to give me a headache and I don't want any mechanical problems. I know life isn't perfect, but why make it any harder than it needs to be. I don't want to second guess using my "fun" car in any way. The more I spend, the less issues or problems I am willing to accept or deal with. I could spend it on other things that wouldn't frustrate me as much.
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