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Old 12-04-2023, 09:57 PM
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Default GTS vs. S Manual Gear Shift Mechanism

Is the Gear Shift Linkage the same on the 992.1 GTS versus the 992.1 S models? My Boxster 25 Years has the "Short Shift" linkage found in the GT4/Spyder, and I wonder if the 992.1 GTS has a "Short Shift" linkage or is it the same as the Carrera S ?

Thanks for any insight!

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I believe the linkage is the same its simply the shift **** itself that is shorter. others may know more detail.
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Originally Posted by adm63
I believe the linkage is the same its simply the shift **** itself that is shorter. others may know more detail.
This is correct. Shorter physical height of shifter, not shorter throws, etc.
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Originally Posted by Non.Sequitur
Originally Posted by adm63
I believe the linkage is the same its simply the shift **** itself that is shorter. others may know more detail.
This is correct. Shorter physical height of shifter, not shorter throws, etc.
Doesn’t a shorter shaft above the fulcrum by definition reduce the throw length?

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Originally Posted by CanAutM3
Doesn’t a shorter shaft above the fulcrum by definition reduce the throw length?
Thanks for the correction. I guess I managed to screw up expressing that it's only the height of the shifter that is reduced, and that there are no other changes to the pivot point or distance the lever needs to travel between gears, below the pivot point.

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I just traded my targa 4S for a targa gts

Whatever they did, it really helped the feel of the transmission..

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Originally Posted by Izzone
I just traded my targa 4S for a targa gts

Whatever they did, it really helped the feel of the transmission..
So you traded a 992.1 Targa 4S for a 992.1 Targa 4GTS ? Is that correct?

Can you explain how it felt different?
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From the GTS brochure (list of things that differentiate it from the S):

"Manual seven-speed gearbox with gearshift lever shortened by 10 millimeters."
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Originally Posted by null
Thanks for the correction. I guess I managed to screw up expressing that it's only the height of the shifter that is reduced, and that there are no other changes to the pivot point or distance the lever needs to travel between gears, below the pivot point.

Guess I better go back to not responding!! Doh!!
Reducing the height of the shift lever while not changing the pivot point also reduces the horizontal distance that the shift **** itself travels. Think about the hand on a clock. If you are at the far edge of the hand, the sweep distance is much further than if you move closer to the center of the clock. When you get to the dead center of the clock, the sweep distance is zero.
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I'm guessing the short shift kit sold by Suncoast is this GTS (possibly also GT3) shifter
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Try a Numeric shifter.
You’re welcome.
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In case helpful - I bought the short shift kit from Suncoast and had it installed on my 4S at the local Porsche dealership. Interestingly enough, I thought it was the GTS shifter but in the Porsche parts team noted the description listed as GT3 (6 speed) shifter. So I assume the part works for both the GTS 7 speed and GT3 6 speed.

Impression - Definitely an improvement all around. I'm now satisfied with the current setup as I feel like it removed a lot of slop and is a great balance for when i drive aggressively or casually. While I have no intent to change from the GTS/GT3 Porsche shifter, if I could do it all over again, I would consider the numeric shifter for even sportier feel and shorter/crisper throws and action. Hopefully you can find a local GTS to assess if that is the right shifter for you.

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Originally Posted by Keadog
Try a Numeric shifter.
You’re welcome.
Quite honestly there is no reason to buy anything else. It's an actual short shifter and is constructed of metal components that don't flex. It improves the whole driving experience.
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Originally Posted by Keadog
Try a Numeric shifter.
You’re welcome.
Thanks for all the input regard the differences between the GTS and S Shifter. That was my question.

I have driven a 992.1 GTS manual and found the gear shifter to be excellent. No need to buy anything else when the stock unit is excellent.

I have a 992.1 S on order and was just interested to understand the differences, if any, between the 2 OEM gear shifters. From what is stated above, it seems that the height of the gear level is the only change ( - 10mm for the GTS) . This small change may make a difference, yet I may not be able to tell. So I'll wait for my S to arrive and evaluate if an upgrade to the GTS gear lever is worth the cost & effort. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by 981KMAN
Thanks for all the input regard the differences between the GTS and S Shifter. That was my question.

I have driven a 992.1 GTS manual and found the gear shifter to be excellent. No need to buy anything else when the stock unit is excellent.

I have a 992.1 S on order and was just interested to understand the differences, if any, between the 2 OEM gear shifters. From what is stated above, it seems that the height of the gear level is the only change ( - 10mm for the GTS) . This small change may make a difference, yet I may not be able to tell. So I'll wait for my S to arrive and evaluate if an upgrade to the GTS gear lever is worth the cost & effort. Thanks!
I had 2 991.2s, one with the OEM shifter (‘17 Targa 4S) and one that I added the Numeric shifter and cables after learning about them here (‘19 C4 cab). There is no comparison. My current C4S cab went straight from PECATL to the dealer for a Numeric shifter install. It’s a superior product in every way to OEM.
I also have their pedals, which are made from actual metal.
But of course do what you like. I have no affiliation BTW except multiple purchases at retail prices.


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