992 GTS allocation - at what ADM?
09-14-2023, 03:56 PM
#16
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I have just been told that I can get an allocation for a 992 GTS. Of course, they want a pretty big ADM for it. I am willing to pay some ADM on it, but obviously do not want to get ripped off. From what you have all seen/heard, what is a reasonable mark-up for an allocation in So Cal? Thanks.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
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09-14-2023, 04:14 PM
#17
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From my perspective I appreciate a dealer who is upfront regarding ADM and doesn't extort the allocation after repeatedly promising MSRP.
10K over is what I paid for my GTS...but as mentioned above, I really like the idea of getting something/anything for your $s...an overpriced watch, maintenance package, fuzzy dice...etc
10K over is what I paid for my GTS...but as mentioned above, I really like the idea of getting something/anything for your $s...an overpriced watch, maintenance package, fuzzy dice...etc
09-14-2023, 04:48 PM
#18
I would be selling a car (actually a truck) to make some room, but I don't think it's anything they'd be interested in. Great surf/bike/ski/snowboard truck though.
09-14-2023, 04:53 PM
#19
Straight talk.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
09-14-2023, 04:54 PM
#20
From my perspective I appreciate a dealer who is upfront regarding ADM and doesn't extort the allocation after repeatedly promising MSRP.
10K over is what I paid for my GTS...but as mentioned above, I really like the idea of getting something/anything for your $s...an overpriced watch, maintenance package, fuzzy dice...etc
10K over is what I paid for my GTS...but as mentioned above, I really like the idea of getting something/anything for your $s...an overpriced watch, maintenance package, fuzzy dice...etc
Fuzzy dice and a dashboard hula girl here I come.
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09-15-2023, 12:54 PM
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I had an ordeal to get mine over almost 2 years. You can search my posts for that information.
When I took delivery of mine, the ADM was removed and I had many things included like maintenance, protection packages, etc. Also received functional delivery gifts as they knew hats and mugs I already have too many of.
The dealers seem to love locals but myself and some friends and family have had great luck being a non-local. Make some calls and see what’s out there. The allocation process from Stuttgart is black magic at best and no one including PCNA knows what’s coming.
The range of ADM’s by model is offensive. The GT range is getting $150k, I know of a GTS allocation at $40k and an S, yes an S at $20k. Eventually they will come down if not be eliminated altogether but we’re not there yet.
Good luck to you. I hope you get the GTS at whatever numbers work for you. The car is impressive!
When I took delivery of mine, the ADM was removed and I had many things included like maintenance, protection packages, etc. Also received functional delivery gifts as they knew hats and mugs I already have too many of.
The dealers seem to love locals but myself and some friends and family have had great luck being a non-local. Make some calls and see what’s out there. The allocation process from Stuttgart is black magic at best and no one including PCNA knows what’s coming.
The range of ADM’s by model is offensive. The GT range is getting $150k, I know of a GTS allocation at $40k and an S, yes an S at $20k. Eventually they will come down if not be eliminated altogether but we’re not there yet.
Good luck to you. I hope you get the GTS at whatever numbers work for you. The car is impressive!
09-15-2023, 02:20 PM
#22
I had an ordeal to get mine over almost 2 years. You can search my posts for that information.
When I took delivery of mine, the ADM was removed and I had many things included like maintenance, protection packages, etc. Also received functional delivery gifts as they knew hats and mugs I already have too many of.
The dealers seem to love locals but myself and some friends and family have had great luck being a non-local. Make some calls and see what’s out there. The allocation process from Stuttgart is black magic at best and no one including PCNA knows what’s coming.
The range of ADM’s by model is offensive. The GT range is getting $150k, I know of a GTS allocation at $40k and an S, yes an S at $20k. Eventually they will come down if not be eliminated altogether but we’re not there yet.
Good luck to you. I hope you get the GTS at whatever numbers work for you. The car is impressive!
When I took delivery of mine, the ADM was removed and I had many things included like maintenance, protection packages, etc. Also received functional delivery gifts as they knew hats and mugs I already have too many of.
The dealers seem to love locals but myself and some friends and family have had great luck being a non-local. Make some calls and see what’s out there. The allocation process from Stuttgart is black magic at best and no one including PCNA knows what’s coming.
The range of ADM’s by model is offensive. The GT range is getting $150k, I know of a GTS allocation at $40k and an S, yes an S at $20k. Eventually they will come down if not be eliminated altogether but we’re not there yet.
Good luck to you. I hope you get the GTS at whatever numbers work for you. The car is impressive!
09-15-2023, 03:55 PM
#23
Straight talk.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
Took me two years to get a base Carrera, with 10K ADM, Los Angeles.
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09-15-2023, 05:17 PM
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09-15-2023, 05:20 PM
#25
It was only a couple dealers in Arizona that I called, but they sure made it seem like it was cut and dried nationwide.
I stand corrected.
I stand corrected.
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09-15-2023, 05:25 PM
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@EZ E got his this year from a Chicago dealer and lives in Ohio as well.
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09-15-2023, 05:43 PM
#27
Right. Dealers can do whatever they want. Porsche incentivizes dealers to sell locally with the way they allocate cars, but for the right price many dealers will sell out of market. Don't expect to get MSRP with out markup out of market.
09-16-2023, 10:01 AM
#29
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Michigan, MSRP MY 2023 .
09-16-2023, 11:07 AM
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Straight talk.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
In SoCal, a market I am very familiar with, if you walk into a dealership cold with no prior relationship or no trade-in or both, you're looking at an ADM of at least 15k if you're lucky, and 25-30k, if you're not.
You might get a timing break and someone backs out of a GTS allocation after the freeze date, so the car is not on the ground yet, and it might be at MSRP, but then you're not getting to spec the car you want.
Yes, you could wait, but by the time the ADMs shrink (if they ever do), production most likely will be over and the factory will have shifted to making the 992.2 911s.
So you basically have three choices: (1) Stay in the SoCal market and pay market ADM; (2) go OOM and scour the country for an MSRP allocation; or (3) constantly call every single dealer every other day (or every day) in the hopes some goofball bails and you get their allocation at MSRP or a discounted ADM.
Neither of those options are really all that appealing, but that's just straight talk. No B.S.
Good luck in your search. It used to be half the fun. Now? Not so sure.
Frankly, I’m happy to pay ADM to not live in Michgan/Ohio/Illinois —I have gotten so accustomed to driving every single day and not winterizing the car. So, my comments here about winter are as irrelevant as comments about ADM in other markets.