itrocks4u

Hi everyone

So I got to test drive 992 C2 and 992 C2S. I understand now the difference. Even when stepping on the gas you can feel the additional power of S. I test drove the C2 first and enjoyed it. There were areas of road where I fully stepped on the gas pedal and could feel the car pulling. But it felt manageable. I drove the C2S next and holy! Same road, stepped on the gas and the car would become a rocket. I don't understand how much difference HP can make but it did!

Now I did step back into C2 after C2S. Oddly it did not feel like I'm in a slower car. It's still really good. However, I don't think I was still doing a fair comparison: On an empty stretch the HP does make a huge difference, no doubt about that. However the C2S had the PSE which is soo much better than normal exhaust. More than that, C2S also had the GT Steering Wheel instead of standard. That also makes a huge difference!

I don't think $17K to $20K upgrade to S is making sense in my case today. There's another $4K deposit which my T dealer won't give back so it's going to become another chaos. The S offered to me is basically a 2023 with $8K ADM which brings it to 2024 pricing.

It was a fun adventure today.

GeneTakovic

I think you’re a bit confused. The PCCBs were never advertised for the 992 T.

GeneTakovic

This sums it up nicely.

jonbek

I continue to enjoy the arguments of purity that the T commands and how somehow now, the S is equal parts too powerful and too heavy. Someone wrote that if the T was hundreds and hundreds of pounds lighter, then yes that may make sense and I agree, but if we're talking 16, or 35, or even 100 pounds, I mean, really? Porsche did not turn the T into a Miata, it's still a 992 911 and the lb/hp ratios of the two at least online are listed as 8.6lb/hp and 7.6 lb/hp. I think the T would have been epic with radio delete, a/c delete, manual windows, door locks, doors, mirrors, etc. ie. a more thorough execution of the concept. To me it's a parts bin exercise, and no harm no foul on that whatsoever, its still a 992 911 and still awesome.

All of these arguments though, they make me wonder where I land in the eyes of T owners with my S, as it has 18-ways and back seats, but also has lightweight glass and no sunroof. I had a deposit on a T--awesome car and concept--but I remain unconvinced that the argument that less (power) is more will still hold true and be entertaining 6-12-18 months into ownership.

Wilder

Here's my logic. Beyond what I wrote above, weight is important to me because I know the difference it makes in the driving dynamics of the car from building two track cars from stock. The T won't be tracked but it will be driven hard in canyons on weekends and roadtrips. That's the purpose of my car. For me, ordering the T was about getting it as light as possible. With my options, I expect to be in the 3,200 to 3,250 range out of the box. A stripper S weighs about 50 lbs more but most people don't spec a stripper S. Most get PDK which is another 84 lbs and then add a buch of options that pack on the weight like 18 way seats with ventilation and/or heat, sunroof, etc. In short, I wager most S cars weigh in the 3,500 lb range. It will take me wheels and exhaust alone to remove 50 lbs of my T and expect at least 100 lbs removed. That's putting me in the 3,100 lb range vs 400 lbs more for the average S. The lower weight that makes the car more agile coupled with the smaller turbos that spool faster and make the car more responsive is what I'm looking for. And the best part is that for $2,500 I can get a tune and get similar power to an S if I found 380HP not to be enough. Or, I could spend $13k and upgrade turbos and software and get even more power than a standard S. I doubt I'll go that far because what I really care about is driving dynamics and not power with this car.

AlterZgo

Both cars are excellent. If you crave power, the S is a no brainer. It will always be at the back of your head... an itch that wants to be scratched. If the T is plenty fast for you already, no need to get an S.

Also, if you have any desire to tune the car, the larger turbos that come with the S is a huge advantage. The alleged greater turbo lag on a S is either non-existent or greatly exaggerated. My taller geared manual S does not have any noticeable turbo lag and is extremely responsive. If a T is even quicker responding, it would be so negligible to not matter at all.

If you want AWD, there is no Carrera 4T available so you're stuck with a Carrera 4S.

Kurac

I agree, a RWD S with a tune would be epic!...I think of a GT2’s little brother. Unfortunately, for those of us where a new 911 was a bucket list item or stretch goal, a new S with a few options and the massive base MSRP increases the last several years (excluding any ADM’s) no longer makes sense. The ‘21 C2 was the last 911 starting under 6 figures. We seem so far removed from those days.

22992

I also have no idea where people get this turbo lag idea from on the S/GTS. I notice less power at low rpm, but my turbos produce boost instantly.

AlterZgo

I feel you. I'm by no means rich and my car was aspirational. My 2021 992 S base price was $115.1K and well optioned for $140.7K. Today the same build is $160K In 2021 a base Turbo non-S was only $170K!

Pivot

Good call! I am taking 992 T now and I hold an option (refundable deposit) on 992.2 S

Also, the 7-MT is near extinction, as manufacturers are chasing emission targets and more cars are going electric.

CanAutM3

I am sorry, but I do not follow your logic: you’re comparing a loaded -S to a stripped and modified -T, there’s no logic in that beyond confirmation bias.

There’s only a marginal weight difference between equivalently specced -S and -T. Removing the rear seat and seatbelts from an -S is easy enough and the same weight savings modifications can be done to either car. There will not be a significant weight difference between the two cars.

Wilder

I don't know how else to say this in a way that you could understand.

FORENN

+1

​​​​​​​Not just Pete, but several RLers who owned both models. I remember Sean Groer was particularly detailed in his comparisons.

stiff///M

Just so you're aware, Flat 6 sells a kit with stock S/GTS turbos with tune for $7500.

ipse dixit

That's called a 992 Sports Classic.