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I will finally be receiving by 992 in one month, I wanted to get your thoughts on PPF. Any pros and cons of getting it? Also, for the place that does PPF for me locally, it is also included in the price the ceramic coating which they do before as well as after the PPF. They explained that having the ceramic coating before PPF helps when removing it that it doesn't get stuck to the paint. The PPF they use is XPEL. Another option would be to do the PPF only on the windshield? Or just ceramic coating?
Thank you
If this is what they told you, then they either have no idea what they are doing or are they lying to you with no intention of actually applying any ceramic coating. They should do a paint correction before applying the PPF, and then apply ceramic on top of the PPF if you want it. I would find another shop.
I had PPF on my TT, TT-S, R8 Spyder, and R8 V10 plus. I currently have PPF on my 2021 Cayman T. I do not have PPF on my current DD (Tesla 3) and my wife's DD (X5). The amount of miles on our DD's is about 50% higher than my previous sports cars, but the front end and paint condition is substantially worse than the PPF'ed cars. The DD's also probably see slightly worse weather, but I drove my TT and R8s in the winter all the time with winter tires. Chicago winters too.
When I get my 992 C4GTS (with PTS hopefully), I fully intend to PPF.
IMO, the actual film is not as important, as the skill of the installer. All the films now "self-heal." There may be some subtle clarity differences but what would be way more noticeable are bad edges, edges where it should have been wrapped/tucked, poor installation techniques.
And, I echo: paint correction first. This is critical.
Then PPF.
Then ceramic coating. Again, not clear if one brand of coating is that much better than others especially at the pro level. It all depends on the detailer's skill. I've had CQuartz, Modesta, and Gtechniq coatings and they all look great and last for years.
I would highly recommend PPF on a 911. I did the "Full Front with Extended Rockers" package on my car but would recommend going higher on the rear hips as documented in this rough sketch. If you look closely at the pic without the yellow line, you can see the rock chips above the PPF (as well as the many chips in the PPF that would be chipped paint instead of plastic). Car has 13k miles and is a 2020 driven in CA on streets only (no track time).
I also don't drive in the rain (GT3), so I don't use my windshield wipers which need to be cleaned often so not to scratch.
I remember finding the user's manual for the (i think) the 997 GT3 (I had a 2006 Cayman at the time - my first P-Car and was exploring the world of Porsche) and if I remember correctly somewhere in the manual it said something about Porsche not recommending driving the car in rain (I assume for handling issues, not paint). I always thought that was kind of bad-***.
As a side note, when i got my current car ppf'd and ceramic coated they also installed a windshield specific skin - I've got the light weight glass - I keep the windshield wipers clean and have had no issues with scratching since it was installed last September
I would highly recommend PPF on a 911. I did the "Full Front with Extended Rockers" package on my car but would recommend going higher on the rear hips as documented in this rough sketch. If you look closely at the pic without the yellow line, you can see the rock chips above the PPF (as well as the many chips in the PPF that would be chipped paint instead of plastic). Car has 13k miles and is a 2020 driven in CA on streets only (no track time).
I had this same PPF scope done on my 20 C4S, 22 GTS is FULL PPF with GTech ultra. I learned, I 🤔
I would highly recommend PPF on a 911. I did the "Full Front with Extended Rockers" package on my car but would recommend going higher on the rear hips as documented in this rough sketch. If you look closely at the pic without the yellow line, you can see the rock chips above the PPF (as well as the many chips in the PPF that would be chipped paint instead of plastic). Car has 13k miles and is a 2020 driven in CA on streets only (no track time).
Doesn't the car come with ppf/clear rock guards on the hips from the factory? How does the ppf on top of that look?
If properly done, there’s no issue with removing ppf down the road. Some small cases, there may be issues with adhesive being left behind or Porsche paint lifting, but those are isolated cases when either the ppf material has defects or paint was not OEM
Ceramic UNDER ppf interferes with the glue of the material and can cause poor adhesion, not to mention, possibly voiding warranty if manufacturer finds out film is lifting and there’s ceramic UNDER the material
One of the key features of a coating is reducing surface tension, so not sure why it would be necessary prior to ppf installation
Our sequence here at GP:
1. Prep - clean and decontaminate paint
2. Hand polish or paint correction as needed
3. Apply ppf
4. Ceramic coat ppf
Hope this helps
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Doesn't the car come with ppf/clear rock guards on the hips from the factory? How does the ppf on top of that look?
They remove the factory stone guards. In a cab you can have the full rocker to rear fender covered without a seam. Some people add a 2nd stone guard layer similar to the factory on top of the new PPF but you will see the edge of the film. I chose not to do the 2nd layer. That area does gets completely sandblasted by rock chips in the film however.
Because I have full PPF, the film saved me when a 2x4 flew off a truck and hit high on the rear fender.
They remove the factory stone guards. In a cab you can have the full rocker to rear fender covered without a seam. Some people add a 2nd stone guard layer similar to the factory on top of the new PPF but you will see the edge of the film. I chose not to do the 2nd layer. That area does gets completely sandblasted by rock chips in the film however.
Because I have full PPF, the film saved me when a 2x4 flew off a truck and hit high on the rear fender.
and the best PPF shops will actually make the bottom rocker / wheel well Area it’s own separate piece (high impact area) so that you can replace it without having to replace the entire side PPF.
If properly done, there’s no issue with removing ppf down the road. Some small cases, there may be issues with adhesive being left behind or Porsche paint lifting, but those are isolated cases when either the ppf material has defects or paint was not OEM
Ceramic UNDER ppf interferes with the glue of the material and can cause poor adhesion, not to mention, possibly voiding warranty if manufacturer finds out film is lifting and there’s ceramic UNDER the material
One of the key features of a coating is reducing surface tension, so not sure why it would be necessary prior to ppf installation
Our sequence here at GP:
1. Prep - clean and decontaminate paint
2. Hand polish or paint correction as needed
3. Apply ppf
4. Ceramic coat ppf
Hope this helps
Moe... Thanks for saving the day. This entre thread is vomitus! Shocking at this level
They remove the factory stone guards. In a cab you can have the full rocker to rear fender covered without a seam. Some people add a 2nd stone guard layer similar to the factory on top of the new PPF but you will see the edge of the film. I chose not to do the 2nd layer. That area does gets completely sandblasted by rock chips in the film however.
Because I have full PPF, the film saved me when a 2x4 flew off a truck and hit high on the rear fender.
Thanks for the info. Makes sense they'd take it off first. Dealer want $500 a side extra to do the hips. I told him to Fck off. Looks like another DIY. How hard could it be. 😛
My 992 is strictly a toy-only driving in nice weather. For me PPF is just not worth it. My car is not going to be a concourse show car and a stone chip here or there is not going to ruin my experience. Plus I just don't want a plastic covering over my paint that will wear over time.
I am also struggling to have PPF or not. I live in the bay area. right now my GTS has no PPF. the car was delivered in May 2022, now 2000 miles with one very tiny chip on the front lip. I have a Turbo incoming. I was considering PPF on the turbo, but I called around, full-body ppf is around 7k, and one shop in Fremont said at least 10k and is 4 months away for an appointment. is there any workmanship difference between regular 7k and 10k? for a full-body PPF do you still see the film cut on some edge? or everything will tuck in and be invisible?
I am gonna sell the turbo in 3-4 years, if no ppf and give me some tiny chips around the bumper I am ok with that. or the damage will be pretty bad without PPF? I had a 2018 Panamera turbo for 3 years I have no damage on the bumper without ppf, but I am not sure about 911. Does anyone have some experience? Thank you!
03-13-2023, 02:23 PM
