Rear Axle Steering real world experience?
11-24-2022 | 01:58 PM
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Rear Axle Steering real world experience?
Finalizing my 992 GTS build and main thing I’m debating is to spec RAS or not?
anyone with side by side experience? Worth it? Feel a noticeable difference? Possible deal breaker for resale if not specced?
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anyone with side by side experience? Worth it? Feel a noticeable difference? Possible deal breaker for resale if not specced?
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11-29-2022, 10:07 PM
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That's the very thing that has me second guessing RAS. I'm not sure I want a slightly strange feeling of the car moving underneath me. I do want the classic pendulum feeling, and the light front with 911 wiggle powering out of a corner (as much as a modern 911 will do). It's good to have some perspective on this - a non-RAS 992 does not handle like a school bus.
Right now I have RAS on my T build, but I'm about 51/49 in favor of RAS. RAS is not something I need. I'm not completely convinced it's something I want. It is not a relatively expensive Porsche option, but I also don't want to spend $2000 on something that I'm not sure I want or has marginal benefit. It seems like RAS is highly favored here, but I find it interesting that the few voices that are not entirely in favor seem to be from those that have had a lot of seat time in both RAS and non-RAS 991 or 992. I had an RS6 with RAS and it was noticeable there with such a long car. I had trouble placing the car precisely in corners though (like the car was moving underneath me)
Right now I have RAS on my T build, but I'm about 51/49 in favor of RAS. RAS is not something I need. I'm not completely convinced it's something I want. It is not a relatively expensive Porsche option, but I also don't want to spend $2000 on something that I'm not sure I want or has marginal benefit. It seems like RAS is highly favored here, but I find it interesting that the few voices that are not entirely in favor seem to be from those that have had a lot of seat time in both RAS and non-RAS 991 or 992. I had an RS6 with RAS and it was noticeable there with such a long car. I had trouble placing the car precisely in corners though (like the car was moving underneath me)
Threads like this tend to overdramatize these options and turn them into deal-breaker type deals. I’ll put it this way - I’ve owned three 911s with RAS and if I was going to spec another one, I’d pick RAS. So I’ve put my money where my mouth is. I like the feel of RAS and I think it makes the car drive better - however subtle a difference it may make.
BUT, if I was looking for a preowned 911 and had the choice between two cars, one with RAS and one without - I’d pick the non-RAS one if it had PCCBs, or better color, or better interior, or better condition, nicer wheels, SPASM, better seats. There are a lot of things that would matter more to me than RAS.
11-24-2022 | 02:01 PM
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I have it on my 991.2 and absolutely love it. Incredible tech and you can definitely utilize it in so many ways. It’s offered for a reason. Not a dealbreaker for resale at all. There’s a lot of debate around it. And most of it has zero merit. Other than typical RL fodder.
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11-24-2022 | 02:06 PM
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Comes stock on the GT3. Lightweight, durable and it works. Not a dealbreaker if you don’t spec it. No real reason not to get it, other than cost.
11-24-2022 | 02:13 PM
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I'm sure its amazing on the track, but in daily life its absolute greatness for sure.
Our rear garage has a tight turning space and all wheel steering turns the 992 into Ford Focus. Barely the need to back in order to line up correctly. U-turns, emergency maneuvers in traffic, grocery store parking, etc - the list goes on and on for us. And yes, its very satisfying approaching then exiting a round-a-bout.
Our rear garage has a tight turning space and all wheel steering turns the 992 into Ford Focus. Barely the need to back in order to line up correctly. U-turns, emergency maneuvers in traffic, grocery store parking, etc - the list goes on and on for us. And yes, its very satisfying approaching then exiting a round-a-bout.
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11-24-2022 | 03:20 PM
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I echo all of the above. I would not have optioned it but it was packaged with the PDCC. Having experienced it, now it would be one of the first options I would check.
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11-24-2022 | 03:32 PM
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I had a 992 c2 without it and now own a 992 C2S with it and I could tell the difference on my first fast turn. I wouldn’t spec my future cars without it. Having it on my wife’s Panamera ST is pure joy and makes a long car drive like a small sports car. Get it!!
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11-24-2022 | 04:46 PM
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I really like having it. I can’t say I’ve really noticed any difference while driving at regular/higher speeds, but the low speed maneuverability is remarkable. There’s a certain turn I need to make in order to back into my garage, in which RAS is really noticeable, and I’ve seen a lot of benefit also when making tight U turns.
I don’t think it’s a must have, but I would certainly spec my next car with it.
I don’t think it’s a must have, but I would certainly spec my next car with it.
11-24-2022 | 04:58 PM
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I can hardly tell that I specced it, if I'm being honest. I looked into it and found out that it only reduces the turning circle by 1ft (something like 37ft to 36ft). Feels natural for sure; I'm just not sure how much benefit I get from it, having not driven a 992 without it specced.
That said, I think PDCC requires RAS and I do think PDCC is a great option, so I'd spec it again if that's the case.
That said, I think PDCC requires RAS and I do think PDCC is a great option, so I'd spec it again if that's the case.
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11-24-2022 | 05:24 PM
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It's something that you sort of gradually get used to and adjust your driving style and manners to.
Get behind a 911 with RAS for a week, then hop behind the wheel of a 911 w/o RAS and you will feel a difference.
On a quick test drive? Nearly imperceptible.
Deal breaker for resale? No.
Deal maker on resale? Certainly more so than deal breaker.
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11-24-2022 | 07:56 PM
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I can hardly tell that I specced it, if I'm being honest. I looked into it and found out that it only reduces the turning circle by 1ft (something like 37ft to 36ft). Feels natural for sure; I'm just not sure how much benefit I get from it, having not driven a 992 without it specced.
That said, I think PDCC requires RAS and I do think PDCC is a great option, so I'd spec it again if that's the case.
That said, I think PDCC requires RAS and I do think PDCC is a great option, so I'd spec it again if that's the case.
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11-24-2022 | 09:07 PM
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Very good for slow speed maneuvering. My high speed experience is limited to Porsche Driving Experience at Barber and they didn’t have a comparison exercise of with and without. I don’t think it’s a deal breaker for you unless you track the car. Certainly not for resale where Sport Chrono and Sport Exhaust seems to be the drivers.
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