Can you turn a base into a S?
11-22-2022, 11:17 PM
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Can you turn a base into a S?
With all the difficulty getting an allotment for a C2S...I was thinking about what it would take to make my C2 into a S figuratively.
I know the brakes and rotors (I got S wheels though) are smaller and there is no limited slip in the base. BUT Theoretically can the base be able to be on the same level with an S With after market components?( I guess a C2S without RAS and PDCC...which are options anyway)
I'm thinking Bilstein coilovers, softronic tune, etc... Thanks
I know the brakes and rotors (I got S wheels though) are smaller and there is no limited slip in the base. BUT Theoretically can the base be able to be on the same level with an S With after market components?( I guess a C2S without RAS and PDCC...which are options anyway)
I'm thinking Bilstein coilovers, softronic tune, etc... Thanks
11-22-2022, 11:33 PM
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With a tune does the engine approach? Maybe. But like you said, suspension, engine mounts, limited slip, PTV, RAS, and the biggest factor, no manual transmission available on the base.
11-22-2022, 11:34 PM
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You going to track it? If not why bother.
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11-22-2022, 11:59 PM
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What engine mounts do u mean?
I know PTV and limited slip are unavailable.
here are some specifics questions and considerations.
I am talking about a standard S. So options like PDCC and RAS are personal choices on new builds. I don't like manual so that's a non issue.
Aren't the non SPASM suspension the same in base and S?(regular PASM) so going with a higher end coil over a better setup then a base S?
So again....can a base come close to being on the same level as a standard S with some upgrades? Am I missing something else?
This is a theoretical conversation so whether this car sees track is not what I'm trying to discuss.
the allotment for an S with a possibility of $30k more premium in a year + from now....I'm trying to see if it really is worth the extra premium.
If I wanted to turn it into a track car then I can strip out the whole thing put a roll cage, larger turbos.....etc... Not what I'm trying to discuss.
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11-23-2022, 12:23 AM
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If you're not going to track it why bother changing a base? It's a great car out of the box, it's pretty pointless spending money on aftermarket suspension and brakes just for street use and even if you did everyone will know it's still a base so why?
11-23-2022, 12:34 AM
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If you get a limited slip diff, the S's turbos and tune, Bilstein coilovers, better track ready brake pads and fluids, track tires, you'd be well on your way to bettering an S.
But if you don't want to worry about warranty and stuff, a stock S is well worth the added premium. You'd still have to change stuff on the S to make it track worthy though.
On top of that, driving skill is most important. I'm sure Lewis Hamilton in a base Carrera w/ 19" tires on PASM can likely lap any one of us driving an S or GTS w/ SPASM and R compound tires.
But if you don't want to worry about warranty and stuff, a stock S is well worth the added premium. You'd still have to change stuff on the S to make it track worthy though.
On top of that, driving skill is most important. I'm sure Lewis Hamilton in a base Carrera w/ 19" tires on PASM can likely lap any one of us driving an S or GTS w/ SPASM and R compound tires.
11-23-2022, 12:45 AM
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If you get a limited slip diff, the S's turbos and tune, Bilstein coilovers, better track ready brake pads and fluids, track tires, you'd be well on your way to bettering an S.
But if you don't want to worry about warranty and stuff, a stock S is well worth the added premium. You'd still have to change stuff on the S to make it track worthy though.
On top of that, driving skill is most important. I'm sure Lewis Hamilton in a base Carrera w/ 19" tires on PASM can likely lap any one of us driving an S or GTS w/ SPASM and R compound tires.
But if you don't want to worry about warranty and stuff, a stock S is well worth the added premium. You'd still have to change stuff on the S to make it track worthy though.
On top of that, driving skill is most important. I'm sure Lewis Hamilton in a base Carrera w/ 19" tires on PASM can likely lap any one of us driving an S or GTS w/ SPASM and R compound tires.
I appreciate your input. Everyone is getting hung up with the fact that every car has to be a track car or else forget it . These are street cars first. Not GTs.
Like I said originally the allotments and dealer markups etc...make it impossible to get a S for the foreseeable future so I'm wondering if it would be feasible to build a base to a standard S level. The cost of a tune, Bilstein coil overs, already pushes the performance up to a S ,,, at least that's what I think......and that's still fraction of the cost of a 2024 C2S after options...
I know the PTV, limited slip is an issue but like you said it's the Indian behind the arrow most of the time.
Thanks
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11-23-2022, 12:48 AM
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Engine is the same, turbo is different. You can upgrade to the base with S, GTS, or aftermarket turbos, and/or an aftermarket tune. Brakes likewise can easily (though not inexpensively)( be upgraded. Option differences are what they are... IMHO no need for coil-overs for street use, just add a DSC Sport suspension controller.
If you can get an allocation for a base with no ADM but not an S, makes sense to me...
If you can get an allocation for a base with no ADM but not an S, makes sense to me...
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11-23-2022, 12:49 AM
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It'd cost more in time, aggravation and money to make a Base into an S than it'd be worth. You'd wind up with a very expensive Base . . . and it still wouldn't be an S.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
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11-23-2022, 01:00 AM
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With all the difficulty getting an allotment for a C2S...I was thinking about what it would take to make my C2 into a S figuratively.
I know the brakes and rotors (I got S wheels though) are smaller and there is no limited slip in the base. BUT Theoretically can the base be able to be on the same level with an S With after market components?( I guess a C2S without RAS and PDCC...which are options anyway)
I'm thinking Bilstein coilovers, softronic tune, etc... Thanks
I know the brakes and rotors (I got S wheels though) are smaller and there is no limited slip in the base. BUT Theoretically can the base be able to be on the same level with an S With after market components?( I guess a C2S without RAS and PDCC...which are options anyway)
I'm thinking Bilstein coilovers, softronic tune, etc... Thanks
11-23-2022, 01:00 AM
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It'd cost more in time, aggravation and money to make a Base into an S than it'd be worth. You'd wind up with a very expensive Base . . . and it still wouldn't be an S.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
I guess i should have phrased it as bringing a base to the level of a standard S...not turn it into a fake S...
LIke i said I'm just trying to get peoples input because of difficulty getting a new allotment and cost premium. It is a lot cheaper and easier to tune a base then buying a new S.....I'm just trying to get some opinions...thanks.
On another note....looking at tuning data from guys like softronic and m-engineering they have base numbers higher then stock S...so I figure it could be an viable option.
For some reason people don't think it's worth tuning and modifying base cars but ok for higher models.?
11-23-2022, 01:16 AM
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11-23-2022, 01:23 AM
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Power-wise you can go much further than a standard S. M-engineering/pure turbos have a turbo upgrade for the base (and they are bigger turbos than the S) and tune, which, along with 93 octane and sport cats puts the car around 650whp, for around 10k I believe. Warranty concerns aside of course.
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1272...-992-base.html
https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1272...-992-base.html
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11-23-2022, 01:24 AM
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It'd cost more in time, aggravation and money to make a Base into an S than it'd be worth. You'd wind up with a very expensive Base . . . and it still wouldn't be an S.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
Why not buy a Base and delete the "911 Carrera" script on the rear of the car when you order it. Then, once you have the car, purchase the "911 Carrera S" script and install it. Seriously, like Ivory Soap, 99 & 44/100% of the world will never know the difference.
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