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Old 10-08-2022, 06:16 AM
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If the 911 is getting an electric assist, maybe they should ditch the turbochargers. No need to have the IC engine, plus turbos, plus an electric motor. Of course the engine may get downsized to a fast-revving 2.7 L H6. As a naturally aspirated engine, it would also have a freer exhaust that sounds better.
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The green battery gauge has nothing to do with hybridization. Go look at any new Audi, they all have this green battery icon either next to the fuel gauge or by the fuel consumption gauge.

The vehicles have smart alternators where they shut off if the battery has ample charge, thus decreasing engine load, resulting in better fuel consumption.


If you look at your current 992 battery voltage, sometimes it’s at 12.5 with engine on, sometimes higher. But it’s never a constant 14.2-14.4 like the old days where the alternator is constantly running.
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Originally Posted by mohawk5010
If the 911 is getting an electric assist, maybe they should ditch the turbochargers. No need to have the IC engine, plus turbos, plus an electric motor. Of course the engine may get downsized to a fast-revving 2.7 L H6. As a naturally aspirated engine, it would also have a freer exhaust that sounds better.
I suspect that is what they will do with the .2 GT3 RS. It looks like the NA 4L is tapped out, and the 3RS can actually do with a bit more power to overcome the aero on the long straight of the 'Ring. Not sure if they will put the 4.2L in to the 3RS.
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Originally Posted by mohawk5010
If the 911 is getting an electric assist, maybe they should ditch the turbochargers. No need to have the IC engine, plus turbos, plus an electric motor. Of course the engine may get downsized to a fast-revving 2.7 L H6. As a naturally aspirated engine, it would also have a freer exhaust that sounds better.
With electric assist, that could basically mean antilag. Also with a hybrid, an electric assist turbo (e-turbo) could be installed allowing a bigger and higher power turbo without the added lag.
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Originally Posted by mohawk5010
If the 911 is getting an electric assist, maybe they should ditch the turbochargers. No need to have the IC engine, plus turbos, plus an electric motor. Of course the engine may get downsized to a fast-revving 2.7 L H6. As a naturally aspirated engine, it would also have a freer exhaust that sounds better.
Similar to the 918? Naturally aspirated hybrid?
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Old 10-09-2022, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mohawk5010
If the 911 is getting an electric assist, maybe they should ditch the turbochargers. No need to have the IC engine, plus turbos, plus an electric motor.
That seems like a step backwards, no reason not to combine technologies to make the best 911s possible, th

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Do you guys think the hybrid tech is going to be across the entire line or could it be a separate model like it is on the Cayenne & Panamera?

I've got a GTS on order since Nov 2021 and it's likely going to be delivered spring/summer 2024. I'm really hoping this doesn't take out the 6MT option for that car as I was hoping for it to be my last 6MT car that I'd keep for 10+ years. Would have to look for a used one if this does happen.
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I'd like to think most 911 buyers (like myself) didn't buy a 911 for practicality, or because it's the fastest car available. I bought for the driving experience. That raw power, manual trans, motor revving thrill. The Hybrid powertrain is too pragmatic for my taste. I couldn't care any less what performance benefits it brings. I don't want it. I think it's the same reason people buy NA GT cars.
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Originally Posted by SFDCArchitect316
I'd like to think most 911 buyers (like myself) didn't buy a 911 for practicality, or because it's the fastest car available. I bought for the driving experience. That raw power, manual trans, motor revving thrill. The Hybrid powertrain is too pragmatic for my taste. I couldn't care any less what performance benefits it brings. I don't want it. I think it's the same reason people buy NA GT cars.
Let’s get the 919 Hybrid motor in a 911. I am pretty sure it would feel raw enough for you. I’m down for some hybrid action.
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Does everyone still think the 992.2 is a hybrid because of a green battery icon?
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Does everyone still think the 992.2 is a hybrid because of a green battery icon?
I think you have convinced me that the battery icon isn’t what I thought it was. The 992.2 might still very well be hybrid but it will not be because of that icon.

Can we talk about that 6,800 redline though?! I want to believe that it’s not really 6,800 and it’s really closer to 7,800. I am not sure how to interpret the red outline on the tach for digital dials.
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I think you have convinced me that the battery icon isn’t what I thought it was. The 992.2 might still very well be hybrid but it will not be because of that icon.

Can we talk about that 6,800 redline though?! I want to believe that it’s not really 6,800 and it’s really closer to 7,800. I am not sure how to interpret the red outline on the tach for digital dials.
Digital tach…perhaps it is variable depending on break in mileage, fuel octane, or some other factor?
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Digital tach…perhaps it is variable depending on break in mileage, fuel octane, or some other factor?
I would agree with you but IMO, that would be odd to actually show a different tach number. Though the color could change... (I remember the e46 M3 had that).

On the other hand, in the screenshots below, note that the engine was warmed up with the color on the tach being the same.

Also, comparing it to the way the 992.1 tach looks like the red outline marks the redline (@ 7,500 RPM). and shows a 8,000 total RPM on the tach dial.

The new tach looks exactly the same (8,000 RPM total on the tach) but the red line starts at 6,800 vs. the current 7,500. This is what worries me, since the design is consistent and the only thing different is the red-line. Yikes!
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Just wait and see. I'm sure whatever they put out will be great; it always is. At the same time, there will be die hard old schoolers that complain about various things. The rest of us will just accept and enjoy.
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Originally Posted by dhirm5
Just wait and see. I'm sure whatever they put out will be great; it always is.
Someone wasn't around for the 996 launch.


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