Cst

Since the base has been out a while. There has been a lot of opinions on the lack of LSDs on the base carrera.

For all who've finally bought a base and have owned them for some time now..any opinions or regrets not buying an S just interms of the lack of LSD in the C2?

On another note. Would having a tune done cause any increase problems with putting power down be an issue?

ced4jets

Hasn't bothered me in 10,000 miles.

por356

One year and 10K miles later, haven't had any issues.
I do not track the car, nor do I deal with snow, but I love to wring it out on tight windy roads and am very happy with the performance just the way it is.

ced4jets

Same here.

undersky2

I drive pretty hard (new tires less than 10k miles on street road) and never lost traction when flooring it and turning at the same time (from a red light at intersection to turn left for example). But I guess I don’t know what I dont know, so you probably want someone to test it side by side.

btw someone in another thread noticed loss of traction when turning right during rain and he wasn’t even pushing the car. He blamed the lack of LSD. However I highly doubt his experience is something we will reproduce ourselves; perhaps something else happened that day for him. Regardless which mode u r in, our car will detect wet condition via sensor in wheel well and adjust the throttle response (wet mode basically) even it’s in sports mode for example.

maybe he was not only experiencing rains but very cold weather which our tires simply don’t do well?

twin_turbo

Me either and I drove mine through a Colorado winter (with snow tires of course).

politeperson

32,000 miles, lots of hard driving. I dont need it or want one!

drcollie

It depends on how you drive the car and what you expect out of it. I come from the school of autocross and track, so Torque Vectoring (Limited Slip) is a must have for me. Nothing more aggravating than losing grip on a well-executed tight turn. If you don't push the car hard and don't Auto-X, you won't miss it.

breny4104

I have a tune and I can get it to fish-tail a little under hard acceleration from a slow speed. But no issues, and I don't track it.

gcurnew

I have the LSD on my base C4...when hard-driving on twisty mountain roads it's noticeable and appreciated, around the city not so much. BTW now approaching 40k km, and it's been through two Canadian Prairie winters. The LSD helps in the slippery white stuff, but the condition of winter tires is more important...this past winter the snow tires dropped to around 5/32 at the rear after Xmas and no longer provided anything close to snow and ice traction they did when new. That said, a C4 (or C4S) with LSD and new winter boots is a snow monster.

phila12180

I have had the car for a year and have had no problems. I have never driven an S so I suppose I do not know what I am missing . I don't track the car and for how I drive I get all the enjoyment I need and have no problems without LSD.

Cst

Has anyone heard of a LSD wear out on a 911? And how much would the repair be? I've heard em fail on dedicated track cars but on a daily?

ipse dixit

Unless you drive the C2 and C2S back to back on the same roads, in the same fashion, you will not notice the lack of an LSD on the C2.

Tompoodie

Pete Stout got wheelspin in the slalom in Tenerife in a 991.2, from memory, in the slalom without LSD.
Interestingly, when he interviewed the "father of the 911" Bernd Kahnau, who made a hot rod 911 for himself, Kahnau chose not to have limited slip. Pete stated in his post "here's a guy who cared about lightweight 911s back in the 1980s and still loves light/simple cars. My interpretation of what he was saying is that a car without an LSD is a little easier, more freewheeling, and simpler feeling?"

Pete stated "I kinda liked the way the base car was the simpler tool and forced me to do the work."
Another quote from the same post was "I found the standard Carrera with nothing more than sport chrono less technically impressive than the Carrera S with all the performance options, but more fun and more intriguing at my skill level."

I have always been most intrigued by Pete's interview with Kahnau published in 000. (tried to buy the issue...sold out of course!) Who would've guessed the father of 911 would decline LSD?!

The advantages of LSD for hard braking stability and coming out corners with more throttle are not lost on me but I ordered the base nonetheless.
I do intend autocross with PCA, I rationalization being that one is classed with like cars (base Carreras) who'll have the same handicap to deal with.

I really like the smaller lighter base wheels, brake calipers, and rotors. If I find the rotors are inadequate, adding AP racing or Girodiscs have trivial weight penalty with a magnitude greater braking power, assuming racing fluid and semi-racing pads have already been tried. I also like the smaller turbos. I'm aware from the forums the majority of folks would disagree with all of this!

Does anyone have experience driving the 992 base and S in conditions that might provoke wheelspin to compare?

aggie57

I can’t speak for the base but in my manual S, with the ‘old fashioned’ mechanical slippery diff, putting the car into PSM sport lets you hang the tail out nicely existing tight corners. I can’t imagine being able to do the same with an open diff.