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Thanks for that input , not sure its worth the 40k for me but maybe ill try to get by difference down to 15k and charge my dealer a AOM ( Additional Owner Markup) on trade in.
I had 992 C2S for a year (till Dec 2021) and got GTS in April.
- the car feels slightly faster than C2S
- suspension and handling is definitely superior to C2S
- mildly louder
- looks more aggressive
- feels more like a sports car vs C2S which is slightly softer
- slightly lower
- you will see a good difference in track days but not much in daily driving
Overall, I think it is definitely worth it for me as difference was only 15k
slightly lower and stiffer, did your C2S have PASM Sport or the regular suspension, and if so did you drive it with PASM Sport enabled? PASM Sport Suspension is lower and stiffer vs a base or standard S.
faster. with 30hp more, I would presume nominally, but I guess you can tell it's there.
faster. with 30hp more, I would presume nominally, but I guess you can tell it's there.
Highly doubtful someone can differentiate a 30 hp differential. Ie, ~ 6% more. 🤔
That said, people feel/sense/hear things that they want to feel/sense/hear.
I paid 6% more than I usually pay for a nice Pinot Noir at dinner last night…. I’m sure it had to be better. 😳 I sure psychiatrists have a name for this….?
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Highly doubtful someone can differentiate a 30 hp differential. Ie, ~ 6% more. 🤔
That said, people feel/sense/hear things that they want to feel/sense/hear.
I paid 6% more than I usually pay for a nice Pinot Noir at dinner last night…. I’m sure it had to be better. 😳 I sure psychiatrists have a name for this….?
Maybe your employer should cut your paycheck by 6% as you can't notice the difference
slightly lower and stiffer, did your C2S have PASM Sport or the regular suspension, and if so did you drive it with PASM Sport enabled? PASM Sport Suspension is lower and stiffer vs a base or standard S.
faster. with 30hp more, I would presume nominally, but I guess you can tell it's there.
C2S was regular suspension but Motortrend claims PASM setup comes from Turbo and slightly different setup - The new 911 Carrera GTS features PASM adaptive dampers, and the car rides 0.4 inch lower than the Carrera S thanks to its standard PASM Sport suspension. The setup comes from the 911 Turbo but with revised calibration to its active damping, and it carries different spring rates. Compared to a Carrera S, for example, the GTS' rear springs are approximately 18 percent stiffer, and the fronts are nearly 50 percent stiffer, Porsche says. The rear end also gets stability- and response-aiding helper springs--they keep the main springs firmly in their perches when the suspension is unloaded--in Carrera GTS and Carrera 4 GTS coupes and convertibles, whereas Targa 4 GTS models do not, due to low demand from Targa buyers. (Porsche says those customers tend to drive their cars year-round and in snowy conditions, with less need for such an aggressive suspension package.) There are five new GTS models in all—coupe, cabriolet, Carrera 4, Carrera 4 cabriolet, and Targa 4—that contribute to those 21 different 911 variants.
The brakes are upgraded, too, as the Carrera GTS receives the Turbo's six-piston front-caliper/four-piston rear setup, and carbon-ceramics are available. Rear-wheel steering is also among the optional extra
C2S was regular suspension but Motortrend claims PASM setup comes from Turbo and slightly different setup - The new 911 Carrera GTS features PASM adaptive dampers, and the car rides 0.4 inch lower than the Carrera S thanks to its standard PASM Sport suspension. The setup comes from the 911 Turbo but with revised calibration to its active damping, and it carries different spring rates. Compared to a Carrera S, for example, the GTS' rear springs are approximately 18 percent stiffer, and the fronts are nearly 50 percent stiffer, Porsche says. The rear end also gets stability- and response-aiding helper springs--they keep the main springs firmly in their perches when the suspension is unloaded--in Carrera GTS and Carrera 4 GTS coupes and convertibles, whereas Targa 4 GTS models do not, due to low demand from Targa buyers. (Porsche says those customers tend to drive their cars year-round and in snowy conditions, with less need for such an aggressive suspension package.) There are five new GTS models in all—coupe, cabriolet, Carrera 4, Carrera 4 cabriolet, and Targa 4—that contribute to those 21 different 911 variants.
The brakes are upgraded, too, as the Carrera GTS receives the Turbo's six-piston front-caliper/four-piston rear setup, and carbon-ceramics are available. Rear-wheel steering is also among the optional extra
I have a C2S with the PASM Sport Suspension upgrade. Which Porsche lists on the configurator as:
Electronically variable active damping system with two manually selectable modes: "Normal" and "Sport"
Ride height lowered 10 mm compared to standard
Stiffer anti-roll bars (front and rear)
Extended front spoiler lip
Increased maximum rear spoiler height
The suspension according to Motortrend is the Carrera S PASM Sport Suspension option, equipped as standard on the GTS. No doubt that the GTS gets a different braking package, though the regular C2 range of trims have pretty good brakes to begin with. While that is nice, I'm not tracking my car, so that isn't anything I feel I am missing. My C2S has Rear-Axle Steering, which is standard on the TT/TTS/GT3/GT3T.
C2S was regular suspension but Motortrend claims PASM setup comes from Turbo and slightly different setup - The new 911 Carrera GTS features PASM adaptive dampers, and the car rides 0.4 inch lower than the Carrera S thanks to its standard PASM Sport suspension. T
I understand this is a ride-height comparison between GTS and Carrera withOUT SPASM. The .4" (10mm) is the same as the drop when going from standard PASM to PASM sport suspension on the Carrera S, so GTS and Carrera S with SPASM should be the same ride height, despite different spring rate / configuration.
At least that's how I've understood it.
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As someone who just ordered a GTS, I will fully say with confidence, if you do not track your car or care about the performance increase over the cS, just get the cS. To answer your questions, the GTS gets the turbo suspension, whereas the cs gets the standard carrera S suspension. The GTS will handle better because of this and it cannot be replicated by the cS from factory. The gts also gets bigger brakes and rotors than the cs. The engine is the exact same as the cs however, it has more boost which raises the horsepower and Torque. The cabin noise is louder in the GTS than in the S because of less sound deadening material. The exhaust is also revised for the GTS to be louder and better than the Cs.
by the looks of it, you should just get the cs because you likely won’t care or notice the suspension, brake, exhaust and performance increases. You should just get a Cs with 18 way seats, insulated glass and call it a day.
As someone who just ordered a GTS, I will fully say with confidence, if you do not track your car or care about the performance increase over the cS, just get the cS. To answer your questions, the GTS gets the turbo suspension, whereas the cs gets the standard carrera S suspension. The GTS will handle better because of this and it cannot be replicated by the cS from factory. The gts also gets bigger brakes and rotors than the cs. The engine is the exact same as the cs however, it has more boost which raises the horsepower and Torque. The cabin noise is louder in the GTS than in the S because of less sound deadening material. The exhaust is also revised for the GTS to be louder and better than the Cs.
by the looks of it, you should just get the cs because you likely won’t care or notice the suspension, brake, exhaust and performance increases. You should just get a Cs with 18 way seats, insulated glass and call it a day.
apart from the rear helper springs what about the GTS suspension is different to a C2S with Sports PASM?
i was on the fence had a 992S MT , great car,was thinking about a GTS. For me it wasn't different enough to justify. So i got a GT3T @ MSRP, Its a totally different car, more exciting but after 2 hours you want a break(loud and harsh) . The best combination of performance and usability is the GTS, but i'm a sucker for NA GT cars..carl
apart from the rear helper springs what about the GTS suspension is different to a C2S with Sports PASM?
according to top gear:
Suspension is ‘derived’ from the 911 Turbo and modified for this GTS application. There are adaptive dampers (dubbed ‘Porsche Active Suspension Management’) and both Coupe and Cabriolet GTS models get a 10mm lower Sport chassis – stiffer springs, adapted shocks, anti-roll bars and a new PASM control. (The Targa GTS only gets PASM.)
It seems that the coupe and cab gts get a different “new” stiffer more sporty pasm than the targa does with a turbo derived suspension, different shocks and helper springs.
based on owner reviews on rennlist and YouTube reviews everyone states that the 992 gts feels much better handling than the 992 cs and stiffer. Not as stiff or sporty as a gt3 double wishbone, but still more track focused than a Cs. I also optioned the rear axle steering and pdcc with my gts as I found those options really helped the 992 turbo s I drove on track hide the weight extremely well and maintain even tire wear
Suspension is ‘derived’ from the 911 Turbo and modified for this GTS application. There are adaptive dampers (dubbed ‘Porsche Active Suspension Management’) and both Coupe and Cabriolet GTS models get a 10mm lower Sport chassis – stiffer springs, adapted shocks, anti-roll bars and a new PASM control. (The Targa GTS only gets PASM.)
It seems that the coupe and cab gts get a different “new” stiffer more sporty pasm than the targa does with a turbo derived suspension, different shocks and helper springs.
based on owner reviews on rennlist and YouTube reviews everyone states that the 992 gts feels much better handling than the 992 cs and stiffer. Not as stiff or sporty as a gt3 double wishbone, but still more track focused than a Cs. I also optioned the rear axle steering and pdcc with my gts as I found those options really helped the 992 turbo s I drove on track hide the weight extremely well and maintain even tire wear
Top Gear is just regurgitating Porsche marketing material, Sports PASM is not available on Targa’s.
I think you’ll find the GTS suspension is identical to a Sports PASM equipped S with the exception of the helper springs.
I will have more to post later in this thread as I only have 130miles on my GTS lightweight. However I am one that upgraded from a C2S to a GTS. However even before getting my C2S it was my intent to secure a GTS. My C2S was a placeholder until the GTS arrived (w/Spasm...no RAS). Might I add a hell of a placeholder!
An extremely summarized eval: Mind you this is eval after 130 break-in miles keeping her below 4k. The sound is very similar at startup and idle. However there is a big difference in sound in-car even below 4k. A deeper sound with a unique resonance that I really like. It sounds exotic. The suspension feels more firm. I can assume this feel can be attributed to both the helper springs from the turbo and the carbon buckets which are VERY different from the 4ways in my S (that is a different thread). Steering feel is similar to my S. The The over feel is much more raw. For me it (so far) it was what I was hoping it to be.
@911Stiller we will have to meet up one day since our kids were on the same boat.
Mine has been at the shop since Tuesday, and I kind of regret handing it over to do tint and PPF with only 17 miles on it. The weather has been perfect here for the last four days 😩
05-25-2022, 04:44 PM
