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Old 05-03-2022, 07:22 AM
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I am still in break in but I have dipped the toes a little . I must say the car is impressive . I find that the equipment and setting of the lightweight package produce this overall sound , acceleration , handling experience that exceeded my expectations . I never had looked up the numbers because straight line acceleration not what I had expected . 2.8 to 60 and sub 11 sec 1/4 mile ? Does that sound right ?
https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsc...arrera-gts-992

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Old 05-03-2022, 07:49 AM
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Seems in line with C&D testing. These cars sure are fast.


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Originally Posted by yrralis1
I am still in break in but I have dipped the toes a little . I must say the car is impressive . I find that the equipment and setting of the lightweight package produce this overall sound , acceleration , handling experience that exceeded my expectations . I never had looked up the numbers because straight line acceleration not what I had expected . 2.8 to 60 and sub 11 sec 1/4 mile ? Does that sound right ?
https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsc...arrera-gts-992
Yes, with the 1 ft rollout deduction….2.8 sec for the GTS and 2.9 sec for the stock S are possible…..under ideal conditions. But the 1ft rollout is artificial, and is used by automotive sources to help standardize times to those quoted at a drag strip, where the rollout deduction has been used for a long time. Also, note that the published numbers truncate the 1/100th number. Case in point, the best pull I have gotten on my S, using Draggy (accurate to 0.03 sec) is 2.98sec…so if I truncate, I can claim 2.9 sec, but really, it’s more like 3 sec flat. Regardless of how one looks at the numbers, these cars are very quick.
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Funny- I have 600 miles on her and last night I decided to open her up a bit.

I was thinking the same thing. Certainly quicker than my 2018 GT3
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Funny- I have 600 miles on her and last night I decided to open her up a bit.

I was thinking the same thing. Certainly quicker than my 2018 GT3
The torque kicks in at a much lower rpm on turbos-so it is much more responsive than the NA engines.
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Originally Posted by Staffie Guy
The torque kicks in at a much lower rpm on turbos-so it is much more responsive than the NA engines.
all the numbers in favor of the GTS until 7500 RPM where the GT3 starts to make more HP. To me the real eye opener is down in the low to mid-range RPM numbers where the GTS has a significant advantage. I think this highlights each car's intended mission of street vs track.

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Exactly, and reflected in the GT3’s slower 0-60 (3.1 sec) and 1/4 mile (11.2 sec) times. ..although I suspect (don’t see any times for the GTS) that at 1/2 mile, the GT3 pulls ahead? The GT3 is (primarily) a track animal.

https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-touring

Here is an interesting head-to head comparison between the GTS and GT3….shows the GT3 to be quicker in all categories? Could be one is PDK with Chrono and the other isn’t? They don’t say…and numbers can be misleading. Make sure it’s an apples to apples comparison:

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/t03urtoni9s6

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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
Exactly, and reflected in the GT3’s slower 0-60 (3.1 sec) and 1/4 mile (11.2 sec) times. ..although I suspect (don’t see any times for the GTS) that at 1/2 mile, the GT3 pulls ahead? The GT3 is (primarily) a track animal.

https://fastestlaps.com/models/porsche-911-gt3-touring

Here is an interesting head-to head comparison between the GTS and GT3….shows the GT3 to be quicker in all categories? Could be one is PDK with Chrono and the other isn’t? They don’t say…and numbers can be misleading. Make sure it’s an apples to apples comparison:

https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/t03urtoni9s6
C&D testing shows the PDK GT3 to be quicker than the PDK GTS they tested, so apples-to-apples in testing methodology, the GT3 is slightly faster, as the power-to-weight suggests. IRL, cars will be very closely match in a straight line.

Isn't Sport Chrono standard on the GTS?


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Nope. Not exactly apples-to-apples.
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On a roll, the GT3 should be faster.
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I really did not want to start a GT3 vs GTS but I have had a 2014 GT3, 2016 GT4, and a 2018 GT3 so really all I can compare it too. Very 2 different animals though.

But - I am surprised that I do not miss the GT3 and for the street the GTS is the better car in my opinion(I do not track). The only thing I miss it that exhaust but after an hour it got annoying any way. The torque is great in the GTS and makes street driving more fun

And did I mention - the steering in the GTS is as good as my 2018 GT3. They really nailed it for this GTS and a very happy camper.
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Be interesting to hear what GT3 owners - from then, to now - think about the steering differences, if any? I would expect with every new generation, the 911’s continue to improve in almost every performance metric. And I expect with the next generation 911, today’s 992’s, will be old news..although still a fabulous car to drive. That’s the nature of automotive evolution.
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Originally Posted by rk-d
On a roll, the GT3 should be faster.

On the C&D sheets given above, the rollout is given as 0.2 sec for both vehicles.
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
Be interesting to hear what GT3 owners - from then, to now - think about the steering differences, if any? I would expect with every new generation, the 911’s continue to improve in almost every performance metric. And I expect with the next generation 911, today’s 992’s, will be old news..although still a fabulous car to drive. That’s the nature of automotive evolution.
The GTS steering feel i really really good. No complaints.

Now- I have not driven a 2021 GT3 which I am sure is a step up from the 2018 which is probably the evolution you are conveying
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Originally Posted by rk-d
On a roll, the GT3 should be faster.
In the C&D testing, I have to assume the PSC2R helped the GT3 get an excellent launch to achieve that 2.7s to 60mph. The two cars seem pretty evenly matched from a roll also, C&D has the GT3 faster by 0.1s in the 60-130mph. I guess there is a point where the aero start hurting the GT3 at higher speeds. Would be interesting to see results from the GT3 touring with its reduced drag.


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