Found a car without chrono…
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No need for that. You are still wrong. While the base 992 might be .2 seconds faster than the 992 S manual, you indicated that it was quicker and couldn't be modded without harming the clutch. Double loss was it. I only said that you were wrong. And easily fooled, by the metrics. .2 seconds is simply not an advantage worth wilting your desire over when it means absolutely flooring it to achieve that. I'm sure you are gunning it every time you leave a stoplight (granted no cars are in front of you) and also getting professional driver times out of each of those launches. So to say that the base 992 is quicker and as a result more fun to drive which really was your implication than a manual S is absurd. It might be equal in some metrics or negligibly faster in absolute metrics, however, not in real world driving, and certainly those metrics don't outweigh the general interactive benefit of a manual. You want a PDK, go ahead. Just don't try to convince me I made the wrong choice over a stat that doesn't apply to actual daily driving.
As to your other assertion. The manual transmission clutch is perfectly capable of handling a tune, such as a Stage 1 or Stage 2 M-Engineering ECU tune. Likewise nothing would stop me from replacing any components of the exhaust or the springs if I were so inclined. So please don't spread misinformation.
As to your other assertion. The manual transmission clutch is perfectly capable of handling a tune, such as a Stage 1 or Stage 2 M-Engineering ECU tune. Likewise nothing would stop me from replacing any components of the exhaust or the springs if I were so inclined. So please don't spread misinformation.
I never brought up anything about fun factor, you did. If having the slowest spec 911 (manual Carrera S) is your idea of fun, then that’s great, but please don’t pretend that’s not the case.
Exhibit B, your Honor:
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...t-test-review/
Cliff’s Notes: MT was getting the same 11.2 quarters as C/D. The manual S does it in 12.2. C/D’s base quarter was 11.5. The gap widens as shifts are made.
And I’ve done plenty of research on the 991.2 platform before tunes were available in our cars and know the biggest concerns from manual owners.
We’ ll both agree to disagree.
Last edited by Kurac; Apr 22, 2022 at 12:04 AM.
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here I thought people were out of their minds getting heated over various paint colors.
bottom line is it's your money get the car you want.
personally, after having a base carrera (which I loved) I made sure my next 911 would have SC for all the reasons people have stated before me.
bottom line is it's your money get the car you want.
personally, after having a base carrera (which I loved) I made sure my next 911 would have SC for all the reasons people have stated before me.
Racer
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you don't miss what you don't have. I'd rather have the car and enjoy then to not have the car. I got my car off the lot it was already spec'd without Sport Chrono, would I like Sport Chrono sure, would I turn down the car without? ...no way the car is that good !
Racer
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an S/GTS is the “fun” 992?...
LOL
I’ll counter with the fun 992 is a GT3 Touring manual.
But what’s really fun is a tuned base murdering a manual whatever.
We all have our definitions of quick and fun.
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There's a discernible difference between somebody who can simply operate a manual and somebody who can drive/extract the full potential of a manual. Let's not act like great grandmother is heel-toeing, rev matching, etc. etc. etc. ....effectively optimizing the manual transmission. Anybody can pull a trigger and shoot a firearm, but not everybody can pull a trigger and shoot a firearm accurately......effectively......and manipulate a firearm with efficiency.
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There's a discernible difference between somebody who can simply operate a manual and somebody who can drive/extract the full potential of a manual. Let's not act like great grandmother is heel-toeing, rev matching, etc. etc. etc. ....effectively optimizing the manual transmission. Anybody can pull a trigger and shoot a firearm, but not everybody can pull a trigger and shoot a firearm accurately......effectively......and manipulate a firearm with efficiency.
As for the “manual” that Porsche is selling, it does revmatching, hill assist, and will even restart the engine automatically if you somehow manage to stall it. Sure, it’s a three pedal transmission, but “manual”? Not so much.
Given the DME overrev reports of many used manual 911s, I’d argue that most owners really have no idea how to drive a high performance car with a three pedal transmission. I’d much rather have a car driven by a Norwegian grandmother who grew up racing.
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They are all great.
If you are driving on the road, just buy the cheapest one. Spend the difference on something you will get some benefit out of, like a boat or a holiday.
Does it really matter which one accelerates the quickest once you get over 125mph on the public highway? Do you enjoy jail?
If you dont do any miles but enjoy your bragging rights, the GT3 probably wins for the road. Its a bit bumpy though, not that it matters if it spends its life tucked up asleep in the garage.
For the track, buy the most expensive one for the class you are racing in.
If you are driving on the road, just buy the cheapest one. Spend the difference on something you will get some benefit out of, like a boat or a holiday.
Does it really matter which one accelerates the quickest once you get over 125mph on the public highway? Do you enjoy jail?
If you dont do any miles but enjoy your bragging rights, the GT3 probably wins for the road. Its a bit bumpy though, not that it matters if it spends its life tucked up asleep in the garage.
For the track, buy the most expensive one for the class you are racing in.
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They are all great.
If you are driving on the road, just buy the cheapest one. Spend the difference on something you will get some benefit out of, like a boat or a holiday.
Does it really matter which one accelerates the quickest once you get over 125mph on the public highway? Do you enjoy jail?
If you dont do any miles but enjoy your bragging rights, the GT3 probably wins for the road. Its a bit bumpy though, not that it matters if it spends its life tucked up asleep in the garage.
For the track, buy the most expensive one for the class you are racing in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DApiyICplg
If you are driving on the road, just buy the cheapest one. Spend the difference on something you will get some benefit out of, like a boat or a holiday.
Does it really matter which one accelerates the quickest once you get over 125mph on the public highway? Do you enjoy jail?
If you dont do any miles but enjoy your bragging rights, the GT3 probably wins for the road. Its a bit bumpy though, not that it matters if it spends its life tucked up asleep in the garage.
For the track, buy the most expensive one for the class you are racing in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DApiyICplg
Sport Chrono costs $2800. If you are sweating $2800, you shouldn't be buying boats...or 911s for that matter.
There is no downside to SC. It's only money and, frankly, for something directly tied to performance - I'm not sure why anyone would NOT get it. But that's just my opinion, of course.
OP's situation is different - he's looking for a used car and supply is limited. So he's wanting to take what he can get. I do understand that, but I'd still wait til the right one comes along.
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To the OP - other than Sport Chrono - what options does the car have you are looking at and are must have for you?
I personally waited until I found one with sport chrono but sacrificed on full leather interior, sport PASM, and advanced cruise control. The latter two are just fine for me as I lower the car anyway and likely barely use it for longer highway trips (its my fun car, not daily). I wish I had found one with leather interior though - coming from AMG where that is a standard option - but that was the sacrifice I was willing to take. It does not bother me too much after all. My interior is black, which helps a little as I don't like the light gray plastic interior.
I personally waited until I found one with sport chrono but sacrificed on full leather interior, sport PASM, and advanced cruise control. The latter two are just fine for me as I lower the car anyway and likely barely use it for longer highway trips (its my fun car, not daily). I wish I had found one with leather interior though - coming from AMG where that is a standard option - but that was the sacrifice I was willing to take. It does not bother me too much after all. My interior is black, which helps a little as I don't like the light gray plastic interior.
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You know little about Scandinavian car culture.
As for the “manual” that Porsche is selling, it does revmatching, hill assist, and will even restart the engine automatically if you somehow manage to stall it. Sure, it’s a three pedal transmission, but “manual”? Not so much.
Given the DME overrev reports of many used manual 911s, I’d argue that most owners really have no idea how to drive a high performance car with a three pedal transmission. I’d much rather have a car driven by a Norwegian grandmother who grew up racing.
As for the “manual” that Porsche is selling, it does revmatching, hill assist, and will even restart the engine automatically if you somehow manage to stall it. Sure, it’s a three pedal transmission, but “manual”? Not so much.
Given the DME overrev reports of many used manual 911s, I’d argue that most owners really have no idea how to drive a high performance car with a three pedal transmission. I’d much rather have a car driven by a Norwegian grandmother who grew up racing.
P.S. It matters not that the modern manual has a rev-matching option, or hill assist, etc. It IS STILL a manual. The car still requires the same mechanics to get moving and stay moving.
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I didn’t get SC on my C2. The idea of pressing a button on the wheel that makes you go faster - sorry, that “primes the engine and transmission for the fastest possible unleashing of power” seems juvenile to me. When you mash the accelerator, that should be the sport chrono button! Happy for everyone who would never buy a 911 without it, each to their own. Just not for me. I’m not going for power and handling beyond the base car, which is beyond my driving capabilities already.
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I didn’t get SC on my C2. The idea of pressing a button on the wheel that makes you go faster - sorry, that “primes the engine and transmission for the fastest possible unleashing of power” seems juvenile to me. When you mash the accelerator, that should be the sport chrono button! Happy for everyone who would never buy a 911 without it, each to their own. Just not for me. I’m not going for power and handling beyond the base car, which is beyond my driving capabilities already.
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I like that my manual doesn’t have the button but that it does have modes that alter the throttle mapping, engage the rev marching, turn off the start stop, turn on the sport exhaust, and change the suspension mode all based on which mode I choose. I don’t need the sport response. I use the right pedal for that.