PDCC---order won't take on new 992 GTS 4
03-01-2022, 10:36 PM
#16
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My opinion:
Sports cars benefit from stiff sway bars.
PDCC allows you to have stiff sway bars on demand without the comfort issues of having them full time. If this was a GT car, then it doesn’t matter and Porsche can just spec stiff bars with little care to comfort, plus the benefit of weight savings and less complexity.
The combination of PDCC/RAS/AWD on my TTS is like sorcery. It’s feels like a slot car when cornering, yet retains a comfortable ride.
Now I would not pass on an allocation because a car doesn’t have PDCC, but I think it’s a worthwhile technology for these cars.
Only subjective downside, if any, is that all these systems make the car feel almost mid-engine, but the trade off in performance is worth it IMO.
Sports cars benefit from stiff sway bars.
PDCC allows you to have stiff sway bars on demand without the comfort issues of having them full time. If this was a GT car, then it doesn’t matter and Porsche can just spec stiff bars with little care to comfort, plus the benefit of weight savings and less complexity.
The combination of PDCC/RAS/AWD on my TTS is like sorcery. It’s feels like a slot car when cornering, yet retains a comfortable ride.
Now I would not pass on an allocation because a car doesn’t have PDCC, but I think it’s a worthwhile technology for these cars.
Only subjective downside, if any, is that all these systems make the car feel almost mid-engine, but the trade off in performance is worth it IMO.
03-02-2022, 08:14 AM
#17
Agree with all, get the car ASAP.
I read a thread a while ago in this section before I spec’d my car and tests showed RAS improved lap times while PDCC did not.
I read a thread a while ago in this section before I spec’d my car and tests showed RAS improved lap times while PDCC did not.
03-02-2022, 08:26 AM
#18
I suspect that PDCC is holding up my car. I went into production on 2/15 and was scheduled to come out on 2/28. Now that is pushed to 3/15. I thought that they didn't start you car if they didn't have all the parts ready to go, but maybe I went into the body shop and then got held up. Nobody seems to have any answers. But I am definitely starting to think it is PDCC and perhaps a related chip.
03-02-2022, 08:31 AM
#19
I think the question is more subjective than anything - does the tech make the car more fun?
An old Porsche has a different feel completely. The rear engine bias is more extreme and the lack of technology means that you have to learn to swing that pendulum *** around corners. Primitive, but fun.
Even without all the tech, the newer cars don't really have that same *** heavy feel. Not as much anyway. I think the engine is more midship and even stock, there is plenty of tech: Torque vectoring, etc.
RAS/PDCC really just take the current car's existing tendencies and dials it up, IMO. I feel like they make the car feel lighter and more nimble.
There is an argument that at 10/10 on a track, PDCC starts to less predictable in terms of feedback.I'm sure I'm not good enough to ever know it.
03-02-2022, 09:03 AM
#20
I agree with this. PDCC is not important enough on a 911 dynamically to skip the allocation IMO. There's a reason it's not on the GT3 or standard on the GTS.
The primary benefit in the 911 is comfort. But if you're getting a GTS, my guess is that is not a top priority for you.
The primary benefit in the 911 is comfort. But if you're getting a GTS, my guess is that is not a top priority for you.
03-02-2022, 09:05 AM
#21
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There is a reason cars with the light weight package get RAS. Porsche figures if you are getting that package you will be tracking the car occasionally.
03-02-2022, 11:39 AM
#22
I agree with this. PDCC is not important enough on a 911 dynamically to skip the allocation IMO. There's a reason it's not on the GT3 or standard on the GTS.
The primary benefit in the 911 is comfort. But if you're getting a GTS, my guess is that is not a top priority for you.
The primary benefit in the 911 is comfort. But if you're getting a GTS, my guess is that is not a top priority for you.
The problem is that PDCC is pretty expensive and it's an easy thing to skip. Having now lived with PDCC, I'd definitely pick it over any driver's nannies or Burmester.
03-02-2022, 02:54 PM
#23
I’ve been impressed with PDCC and would recommend especially if you will be tracking. Best of both worlds better performance on track and more compliant ride on the street.
Here’s a video showing improved lap time with PDCC, also it’s easy to understand that less roll will result in a better load distribution with a higher lateral grip capability.
Not my experience after 6 track days. I find PDCC to be very predictable at the limit, and beyond. When the grip limit is exceeded breakaway is gradual and controlled. No drama.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
Honestly, unless you are really good at track driving - your ability is the limiting factor. Not RAS or anything else.
I think the question is more subjective than anything - does the tech make the car more fun?
An old Porsche has a different feel completely. The rear engine bias is more extreme and the lack of technology means that you have to learn to swing that pendulum *** around corners. Primitive, but fun.
Even without all the tech, the newer cars don't really have that same *** heavy feel. Not as much anyway. I think the engine is more midship and even stock, there is plenty of tech: Torque vectoring, etc.
RAS/PDCC really just take the current car's existing tendencies and dials it up, IMO. I feel like they make the car feel lighter and more nimble.
There is an argument that at 10/10 on a track, PDCC starts to less predictable in terms of feedback.I'm sure I'm not good enough to ever know it.
I think the question is more subjective than anything - does the tech make the car more fun?
An old Porsche has a different feel completely. The rear engine bias is more extreme and the lack of technology means that you have to learn to swing that pendulum *** around corners. Primitive, but fun.
Even without all the tech, the newer cars don't really have that same *** heavy feel. Not as much anyway. I think the engine is more midship and even stock, there is plenty of tech: Torque vectoring, etc.
RAS/PDCC really just take the current car's existing tendencies and dials it up, IMO. I feel like they make the car feel lighter and more nimble.
There is an argument that at 10/10 on a track, PDCC starts to less predictable in terms of feedback.I'm sure I'm not good enough to ever know it.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
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03-02-2022, 07:36 PM
#24
PDCC causing delays is news to me. I’ll gladly accept more delay to get the car spec’d as I ordered it - with PDCC and RAS.
03-02-2022, 09:17 PM
#25
I’ve been impressed with PDCC and would recommend especially if you will be tracking. Best of both worlds better performance on track and more compliant ride on the street.
Here’s a video showing improved lap time with PDCC, also it’s easy to understand that less roll will result in a better load distribution with a higher lateral grip capability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTlryNBn6Y
Not my experience after 6 track days. I find PDCC to be very predictable at the limit, and beyond. When the grip limit is exceeded breakaway is gradual and controlled. No drama.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
Here’s a video showing improved lap time with PDCC, also it’s easy to understand that less roll will result in a better load distribution with a higher lateral grip capability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTlryNBn6Y
Not my experience after 6 track days. I find PDCC to be very predictable at the limit, and beyond. When the grip limit is exceeded breakaway is gradual and controlled. No drama.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
I’m too lazy to find the thread that compared a PDCC car to a non PDCC car that I’m referring to.
Moral to the story to the OP, don’t let your allocation go for the PDCC option during these times of extended waiting periods.
03-02-2022, 09:25 PM
#26
I’ve been impressed with PDCC and would recommend especially if you will be tracking. Best of both worlds better performance on track and more compliant ride on the street.
Here’s a video showing improved lap time with PDCC, also it’s easy to understand that less roll will result in a better load distribution with a higher lateral grip capability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTlryNBn6Y
Not my experience after 6 track days. I find PDCC to be very predictable at the limit, and beyond. When the grip limit is exceeded breakaway is gradual and controlled. No drama.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
Here’s a video showing improved lap time with PDCC, also it’s easy to understand that less roll will result in a better load distribution with a higher lateral grip capability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTlryNBn6Y
Not my experience after 6 track days. I find PDCC to be very predictable at the limit, and beyond. When the grip limit is exceeded breakaway is gradual and controlled. No drama.
Another benefit if you track is that tire wear is more even across the tread since the car does not roll.
Not many people have really driven a car with PDCC/RAS and I also dismissed PDCC before actually owning a car that has it. The two technologies really seem to go hand in hand.
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03-02-2022, 09:31 PM
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Just got a message on Track my Dream
Maybe this is another reason it could unfreeze?
Dear Customer, as the terrible news and pictures continue to reach us from Ukraine, we are appalled and deeply saddened by the situation. Our immediate concern is first and foremost for the people of Ukraine, our colleagues on the ground and peace as a whole.
The situation may mean the ordering and delivery of your car is delayed as a result of the supply chain being interrupted.
We kindly ask for your understanding and for you to keep in touch with your dealership who will do their best to keep you updated every step of the way as we work as a priority to address this situation.
The situation may mean the ordering and delivery of your car is delayed as a result of the supply chain being interrupted.
We kindly ask for your understanding and for you to keep in touch with your dealership who will do their best to keep you updated every step of the way as we work as a priority to address this situation.
Maybe this is another reason it could unfreeze?
03-02-2022, 09:52 PM
#29
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03...llout-spreads/
If there are critical parts coming from Ukraine, this could last awhile. First world issues in the grand scheme of things, but still.
h/t @wotaskd
03-02-2022, 10:29 PM
#30
Primary benefit of PDCC is performance. The car corners flatter and PDCC works well with RAS in allowing the car to pivot hard from center. Personally, I think PDCC is just as impactful as RAS.
The problem is that PDCC is pretty expensive and it's an easy thing to skip. Having now lived with PDCC, I'd definitely pick it over any driver's nannies or Burmester.
The problem is that PDCC is pretty expensive and it's an easy thing to skip. Having now lived with PDCC, I'd definitely pick it over any driver's nannies or Burmester.