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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 11:16 AM
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If, and/ or when my new LiPO3 battery goes dead for not having been on a tender, after not having been driven in a few days, or week….and IF Porsche were to deny my warranty claim, the outcome would proceed as follows:

(1) That will be the last Porsche I ever own.
(2) Once the car is back running, the car will go up for sale.

With that said, I hope it never comes to that. But not interested in having to constantly worry about the SoC on my 992.

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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by garthg
"Fit for purpose" does not mean perfect in all respects.
I’d argue the ability to start reliably is a pretty basic requirement.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 11:39 AM
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Why do I have to use a ctek charge o mat. Just because Porsche uses it? I have my targa with RAS on a deltan lithium battery tender in my garage. Seems to work great. Somebody explain what the difference is. I have no stock or standing in the company but they’ve been around since 1965. Ctek is a Swedish company in business since 1997. I’ve used deltran battery tenders of all types on all my motorcycles for 37 years never a problem. I just don’t understand what the fascination is with Porsche owners and ctek. Not looking to start a war or looking for snarky comments just information if there’s a difference tell me what it is.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by sportmode
It is my understanding (from this forum) that all Canadian delivered 992's come standard with lithium batteries, irrespective of RWS. Are members north of the border experiencing these same charging issues?

My 2021 C2S with RWS has less that 2,000 miles now (have had it for one year) and gets driven once a week/ten days. I've had no issues with the battery so far - no tender. I'm planning a PCA road trip soon and, after reading this thread, I am concerned about getting stranded miles from nowhere because of a dead battery. Is it true that keeping the doors locked drains the battery faster? Normally I keep it unlocked in my garage when not being driven. Thanks all.
Yes, Canadian 992's are all delivered with the lithium battery.
I think you'll be fine during your road trip.

My Canadian '21 992 4S has sat for 4 weeks without being on a charger.
Doors locked and the subscription services and SIM card active.
It was sat in the dealer service lot awaiting warranty work.

I only put my car on a charger during the winter, when it's stored in its winter igloo.

I did, however, give up on the Charge-O-Mat Pro and now use the C-Tek Lithium US.
The problem with the former is that it doesn't restart charing if (when) my winter igloo suffers a power disruption.
The C-Tek Lithium does.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Guzzgreg
Why do I have to use a ctek charge o mat. Just because Porsche uses it? I have my targa with RAS on a deltan lithium battery tender in my garage. Seems to work great. Somebody explain what the difference is. I have no stock or standing in the company but they’ve been around since 1965. Ctek is a Swedish company in business since 1997. I’ve used deltran battery tenders of all types on all my motorcycles for 37 years never a problem. I just don’t understand what the fascination is with Porsche owners and ctek. Not looking to start a war or looking for snarky comments just information if there’s a difference tell me what it is.
It's just a mental thing. I bought Xpel brand detailing spray because I thought it's the only safe thing to use on PPF. But I've been enlightened. You think it's engineered better, or specifically for your vehicle.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by sali1980
I went to Suncoast Porsche parts to order charge o mat but for 992 the instruction say to directly connect clamps to battery (cannot use cigarette liter port). Is that accurate?

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That's what I do. The 12v outlet was hit or miss for me. There's a bunch of threads with the sequence to get it to work. I failed, got the clamps instead. The plastic cover is stupid but if I hardwire the connection the local dealer would say that's the reason for battery fail. They're very versed in denying warranty. It's ridiculous to the point that a cold fuse (off with the ignition) was blamed for battery failure.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 01:01 PM
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Yea, there’s a procedure you have to follow if using the 12v outlet, lest it time out after about 20 minutes.

My suggestion would be to connect directly to the battery, using a “pigtail” connection to the battery, but accessible near the edge of the frunk lid. Just a lot easier to connect the tender if you don’t always have to open the frunk, take the plastic off, etc.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 01:04 PM
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I heard from the dealer recently that they’re going back to AGM batteries across the board. I don’t think it’s from the goodness of their heart or worrisome with client experience, I think it’s simply to shift those to the Taycans.

BTW, there’s several options for batteries under PIWIS for the cayenne. You can shutoff the link to the battery, probably avoiding errors. I’d like to try a different battery chemistry doing those things, but I’m not fiddling with the cars as I don’t want to deal with service unless I have to.

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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 01:20 PM
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I hear ya. This made me laugh out loud:

porsche is the benchmark for driving experience but the customer relationship has been in par with trying to cancel cable.


Knock on wood, to date, my service manager has been very good to me…so I don’t blame my local dealership for poor materials/components, design or customer relations.

I do like my 992S, a lot, but part of that is because it’s a new experience for me. Nevertheless, and like with a marriage, as soon as it becomes stale, and one party treats the other party with disrespect, or distain, is when things fall apart. Porsche clearly has a loyal following…but with the cataclysmic move to EV’s (whether one is an ICE person or not, moving to EV’s is good for consumers), the landscape is changing. Porsche should take nothing for granted. That’s how I ran my company, and I did very well when I finally cashed out.

Sometimes i get a feeling, from corporate, that they really don’t care whether I’m a satisfied customer, or not? Porsche has legions of cult like buyers lined up to pay whatever Porsche asks…so they don’t need my business. Just bend over, or move along so the next person can get there’s. I have not yet reached that point….

PS - I don’t know if it’s a German brand thing, or not, but I remember when Audi almost went belly up for trying to blame buyers for the “rapid acceleration” fiasco. Arrogance, personified. I remember once (long time ago) I was at a car show in Boston. At the time I was interested in BMW’s, so I went to their display at the car show. One of the guys there was directly from the BMW HQ in Germany. I asked him point blank, “why doesn’t BMW import some of their better models available in Germany, to the American market”? As God as my witness, he said to me, “because dogs eat dog food”.

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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
PS - I don’t know if it’s a German brand thing, or not, but I remember when Audi almost went belly up for trying to blame buyers for the “rapid acceleration” fiasco. Arrogance, personified. I remember once (long time ago) I was at a car show in Boston. At the time I was interested in BMW’s, so I went to their display at the car show. One of the guys there was directly from the BMW HQ in Germany. I asked him point blank, “why doesn’t BMW import some of their better models available in Germany, to the American market”? As God as my witness, he said to me, “because dogs eat dog food”.
There is no such thing as German thing as you describe...and I have a hard time to believe what you wrote was really said or we do not have the entire story. If anything, Germans façade is often being too polite even when it deserves some harsh words but we bite our tongue to not offend our counterpart.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
I hear ya. This made me laugh out loud:

porsche is the benchmark for driving experience but the customer relationship has been in par with trying to cancel cable.

PS - I don’t know if it’s a German brand thing, or not, but I remember when Audi almost went belly up for trying to blame buyers for the “rapid acceleration” fiasco. Arrogance, personified. I remember once (long time ago) I was at a car show in Boston. At the time I was interested in BMW’s, so I went to their display at the car show. One of the guys there was directly from the BMW HQ in Germany. I asked him point blank, “why doesn’t BMW import some of their better models available in Germany, to the American market”? As God as my witness, he said to me, “because dogs eat dog food”.
Well, I am from Germany (living outside Germany now for many years). The big German car companies (VAG, Mercedes, BMW) have been "untouchables" in the country for many decades, because of their economic relevance. That explains poor customer service, high prices as well as no real consequences in Germany itself from "Diesel-Gate". This starts to change recently as people move towards electric vehicles and the Germans still have some work cut out for them there. The challenges from electrification, arrogance and ignorance towards newcomers (Tesla anybody) and the high dependency on China as market for their luxury brands keeps the German car industry on the edge and it is not clear who will and will not survive in the end when it is all over...
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tobeit
There is no such thing as German thing as you describe...and I have a hard time to believe what you wrote was really said or we do not have the entire story. If anything, Germans façade is often being too polite even when it deserves some harsh words but we bite our tongue to not offend our counterpart.
…and I give a F*ck u believe.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CodyBigdog
…and I give a F*ck u believe.
Oh nice. I hit a nerve? I don't just "believe" but know. How? Guess!

PS: Your quick "not so subtle" response tells me how that conversation went you complained about. Just saying.

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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 02:59 PM
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Oh nice. I hit a nerve? I don't just "believe" but know. How? Guess!
my experience, not urs. That simple.
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Old Aug 11, 2022 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Coolwnc
Yesterday I had a call from a good friend who owns a 2020 - 911-4S. The story he told me was that he was out of town for 10 days and when he arrived back home his 992 which is kept in the garage covered would not start. Dead battery? He called the porsche dealer and they sent a service company out to get the frunk open but they could get it open even by using the fusebox method. Next he called back to the dealer and they sent another Porsche service person out no luck. Car was towed to the local dealer. He got a phone call back that the battery was bad, he asked if that was under warranty. The person said no because he only had 5,000 mile on the car! The dealer said he needs a min. of 6,000 to be under warranty. Next the dealer stated that they had to order the battery from Germany. Total cost ......$2500. Comments?
I have a 2020 911S with 15,500 miles on it. The battery died 3 weeks ago. I got it jumped and drove it to the dealership. My battery was covered under warranty because it was under 24 months of the in service date and had more than 6k miles on it. How do they come up with this crap.
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