992uk

I’ve got a C4 Coupe on order for Q4 22 so will probably get a call late spring or such to spec it. Hopefully there will be more information out there in a few months time as I do wonder about waiting for the 992.2 as the base car is beginning to look quite slow in relative terms to where the market is going and new models which are coming out.

What are people expecting with the 992.2? Rumour seems to suggest that the 994 will have plug in capability but will the 992.2 have the mild hybrid non-plug in technology that has been talked about with the small battery in the gearbox? In addition to some e boost from this will be get the usual 20+PS power increase as well? I know that no one knows but I would be glad to take some input here.

Richard_Wallace

I personally do not think there will be a change in the hybrid drive train for the 992.2, I think this will come in the next gen (or maybe the gen after on the 911).

I do not think there will be significant changes in the 992.2 over the 992.1 (minor enhancements, some PCM changes, some ascetics, some HP gains, etc.)

If you do not have an allocation now, it is probably speculation that you would get one for Q4 2022, as unless you have a build, that is an estimate of when your dealer might get an allocation. I would take (in this market) whatever you can get when you can get it as it might be another year or so before the demand situation is more like normal/before covid.

TheStanman

It's very unlikely that Carrera models will see significant changes, particularly in straight-line speed or hybrid powertrain. It will likely be various tweaks (interior and exterior design, chassis, infotainment) and a modest power bump.

Unfortunately chasing straight-line speed is a fool's errand as EVs become increasingly cheaper and faster. IMO, a 911 is a choice to prioritize all other aspects of driving over straight-line acceleration.

I believe expectation is that there will be hybrid version on a Turbo model.

A Q4 2022 delivery is really just a rough estimate from your dealer. It could end up being much later, particularly depending on how much Omicron impacts production. I understand not wanting a late 992.1 model, but allocations are also very difficult to come by. I'd see how the year plays out in terms of getting your allocation and what we learn about 992.2.

992uk

Thanks for the comments so far. My dealer gets about two C4 coupes a year so that was how he worked out the likely time when I ordered a few months ago. I appreciate that this is hard to fathom and the Covid/emissions push/pull impact on 911 production makes it sensible that I take what I can get. If I take a .1 a year before the .2 starts production then I am happy to sacrifice 20 more horsepower and a few cosmetic changes for the value of time and avoiding another a price rise. Mind if they bring in a non-plug in e power enhancement with the .2 that weighs no more than 50kg extra then it appeals.

I get the straight line speed point and all of these cars are perfectly fast enough for the road but if you look at cars coming out in 2022 and 2023 like the Merc C63 which are not EVs then the auto world is changing very fast at all levels.

I’m not wanting this thread to turn into another EV versus petrol debate but I am buying this car as my (likely) last petrol purchase for my second, special car with my next family car likely to be plug in of some form as Europe moves fast in this regard over the next half decade. I want to buy the right car for me to keep for a long time so appreciate any input.

detansinn

A few thoughts

• The Base 992 is plenty fast -- Porsche's numbers are very pessimistic. 911s have always punched above their weight thanks to a rear engine layout that allows them to really get the power to the ground.
• C63 is a very different experience and a different kind of buyer. It is effectively, a German Hellcat.
• A peak 20HP increase is not a given for the 992.2. I would expect minor changes in the engine bay. As demonstrated by the 992 GT3, Porsche isn't chasing HP numbers anymore for their ICE cars.
• It's going to be a long while before a performance hybrid powertrain comes to the base car. It probably won't happen until the 994. If the Base C4 gets a mild hybrid, it's going to be offset by added weight.
• With inflation, price increases are going to be fast and furious. Add on the supply chain constraints and the ADM/market adjustments that people are paying, waiting will simply result in a more expensive car. For reference, I paid below MSRP on my 2020 992 C4S in the Fall of 2019. If I were to buy the same car today at MSRP, it would at least $12k more and that's presuming that I could get it at MSRP. Realistically, the car would cost me $20-25k more than what I paid for it back then.
• Who the heck knows where you'll be or the world will be by waiting an extra year? Interest rates will be higher, economic slowdowns, new variants. This isn't a time to be waiting for stuff on the personal side of things.
• A C4 is a rare bird. Allocations are limited. They are the rarest 992, much moreso than the GT3. If your dealer has an allocation, take it. Personally, I'd rather have a 992.1 than have a 992.2 on the edge before the 994 is announced.

rk-d

The 991 to 991.2 mid cycle refresh was a radical change in powertrain. This is an exception to the rule. I'd expect refinements with the interior, PCM, some additional gizmos and maybe a slight power bump. Honestly, if it was +20 HP then that's more marketing than real world difference. Exterior will look different - probably new headlights/taillights and bumper design.

I believe the TTS will get a hybrid for the 992.2. My guess is that will be the test bed to expand hybrid across the range for the 994.

At this point - take what you can get and be happy. You probably won't see 992.2s on the road til 2024 or later if I had to guess.

shrimp money

My GTS is scheduled to be delivered mid June 2022.

Which kind of sucks as 2023 models will be rolling out right after August break.

If it’s a significant change that I like, I’ll try to snag an allocation for a ‘23.

But really, I’ll probably just enjoy the car, see when Porsche says they’re done making ICE, and for sure get one of the last ones.

detansinn

Yes, you can always count on a headlight design change as Porsche uses them to “date” models.

Tompoodie

Detansinn: C63 = German Hellcat... Very funny and spot on.
I have always loved the original 6.3 300SEL that was the forefather of the C63. The only American to win an F1 championship Phil Hill lived in my neighborhood and he had two of them. I will never forget how he would drive those in the neighborhood full throttle and then full braking, with just the slightest protest of the tires. He made those elephants of a car dance like butterflies.

Also agree that the hybrid will come later.
The proof of that is the Porsche and Siemens Energy joint venture synthetic fuel plant in Chile.
Per a recent press release, about 34,000 gallons in 2022 will be produced, 14.5 million gallons 2024, and 145 million gallons in 2026!
Not only does Porsche want to keep its new sports cars running with internal combustion as long as possible, but all the previous Porsches ever made.
Ferrari and other great marques should be grateful that Porsche has this foresight.
Not surprising that Porsche is taking the lead here.

ipse dixit

I think there will always be changes. Heck, Porsche "changed" the 992.1 generation with the PCM layout without even the expected mid-cycle refresh (from .1 to .2).

If you're always going to be chasing the newest or latest in what you're buying, you'll end up making Sisyphus look like a real lazy *** slacker.

My suggestion is find and spec the car that you want that is available now. The future can wait for tomorrow. Live for today.

Good luck.

smiles11

Count me as one of many who have grown tired of chasing the proverbial Porsche 🥕

Buy now.

Tupper

^ Exactly!

HappyHades

I may be in the minority here, but I would prefer to get a 992 before anything goes hybrid. in case of a "upgrade" to hybrid system, 992.1 would be the last truly petrol only model. As someone that's waiting for a 23 TTS model, I sincerely hope no hybrid system is introduced.

Carrera3:16

I would just do both...if you can get a 992.1 allocation now then go for it. Otherwise, you may be forced to wait for a 992.2 allocation by the time they catch up. I personally believe that Porsche is going to do everything in their power to stretch this demand for as along as possible and 2023 could be the last model year for the 992.1. Granted this may be more true for US buyers than anywhere else in the world.

aggie57

Exactly. Someone, somewhere, is always waiting for the next big thing while others are enjoying their toys now.