992 manual vs 991.2 Turbo S
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I'm 16 months and 9500 or so miles into a MT 992 C2S. It keeps getting better, no regrets at all. I've driven many 991's including Turbo's at PECLA and I have no desire to spend more money on them over my car. The acceleration is mind-bending of course but there's nothing lacking in that department in the S, it's plenty fast. Funny thing is that when you go to the experience center of course there's the acceleration straight with the carousel at the end. Which you do once and then it's pretty ho-hum. My 992 on a decent country run is much more fun.
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Unpopular opinion incoming…
The seven speed manual isn’t very good. Truth be told, most of the manuals in the last days of the 3 pedal transmission aren’t very good.
Whereas the 8 speed PDK is a benchmark setting dual clutch transmission, the 7 speed wouldn’t make anyone’s manual transmission top 10 list.
If you want a three pedal car, it’s nice to have the option. It’s just a shame that it’s not a particularly exceptional transmission.
The seven speed manual isn’t very good. Truth be told, most of the manuals in the last days of the 3 pedal transmission aren’t very good.
Whereas the 8 speed PDK is a benchmark setting dual clutch transmission, the 7 speed wouldn’t make anyone’s manual transmission top 10 list.
If you want a three pedal car, it’s nice to have the option. It’s just a shame that it’s not a particularly exceptional transmission.
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I think most of us that spec the MT do it for the fun and connection to the car. Not sure what you are comparing these MT’s to, but I don’t think they are bad, just not as fast as the PDK. I think we all know that. Good thing we still get to choose.
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In comparison to the 6MT in the GT3, the 992 7MT is "bad".
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I currently have a 2019 GTS (2wd) in PDK. It's my first Porsche and definitely won't be my last. It's not a daily driver, so I can have it be whatever I want it to be, and I've decided I want something different. I either want the fastest (991.2 Turbo S) for that "be all, end all rocket-ship warp your senses" speed, or I want a 992 (S or 4S) in manual transmission for more engagement in a newer package (that's still really fast) that I can build with exactly what I want. I can't get a GT3 because my kids can't ride in the back. In the hopes of stepping outside of my own head, I wanted to reach out to everyone here to get feedback/alternate perspectives.
I would not buy a 7 speed manual nor would I buy a manual with a turbo engine . I dont like the upper gear spacing . I don't like losing boost in shifts . I love the manual though and would go in a complete different direction. .
Thus I would buy NEITHER !!! You want fun , different and engagement . Here goes .
The last 6 speed NA manual street car is the Cayman and Boxster GTS . In fact I would want the Boxster . There is no way I would buy a 911 convertible . The Boxster has the smaller cabin and proper door sill ride height to create a gentle breeze . Its balance and original design was as a mid engine roaster . In fact the Spyder holds the Guinness slalom record but as a daily the GTS is the way to go and save all that money . Its double fun and half the price . You get the best convertible Porsche makes and you get a real 6 speed NA in a street car for half the cost . I feel the 718 GTS is the most underrated car on the road today . They began the 718 so badly with the 4 cyl turbo but they ended it right .
Take a look at the slalom record . Its no joke !
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I've read that somewhere too that the 7MT isn't a great tranny. It had something to do with the gear ratios Porsche chose for 1-3 if I recall correctly. I'll try and locate that article and post up later.
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I have a modified 997.1 Turbo that in any straight line blows away my 991.2 GTS and it beat a 991.2 TTS . It even beat a modded 991.2 Turbo . I love the car but outgrew the AWD and sledgehammer drive of a Turbo . Supposedly a 992 TTS is more fun , it may beat my car , but either way a Plaid beats everything stock (and many modded) . I had zero interest in a 992 Turbo. My point is that as much as I love the car I find it boring but I won't ever sell it . It was that juvenile childhood dream car . As a kid you always want to be the "fastest"so you buy fast and you want it to go faster . In 2007 Porsche didn't make the cars but they gave the platform . The tuners did the rest . Fast forward to now the ECS tuning car will even beat a Plaid .
I would not buy a 7 speed manual nor would I buy a manual with a turbo engine . I dont like the upper gear spacing . I don't like losing boost in shifts . I love the manual though and would go in a complete different direction. .
Thus I would buy NEITHER !!! You want fun , different and engagement . Here goes .
The last 6 speed NA manual street car is the Cayman and Boxster GTS . In fact I would want the Boxster . There is no way I would buy a 911 convertible . The Boxster has the smaller cabin and proper door sill ride height to create a gentle breeze . Its balance and original design was as a mid engine roaster . In fact the Spyder holds the Guinness slalom record but as a daily the GTS is the way to go and save all that money . Its double fun and half the price . You get the best convertible Porsche makes and you get a real 6 speed NA in a street car for half the cost . I feel the 718 GTS is the most underrated car on the road today . They began the 718 so badly with the 4 cyl turbo but they ended it right .
Take a look at the slalom record . Its no joke !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64FjxXJH28Q
I would not buy a 7 speed manual nor would I buy a manual with a turbo engine . I dont like the upper gear spacing . I don't like losing boost in shifts . I love the manual though and would go in a complete different direction. .
Thus I would buy NEITHER !!! You want fun , different and engagement . Here goes .
The last 6 speed NA manual street car is the Cayman and Boxster GTS . In fact I would want the Boxster . There is no way I would buy a 911 convertible . The Boxster has the smaller cabin and proper door sill ride height to create a gentle breeze . Its balance and original design was as a mid engine roaster . In fact the Spyder holds the Guinness slalom record but as a daily the GTS is the way to go and save all that money . Its double fun and half the price . You get the best convertible Porsche makes and you get a real 6 speed NA in a street car for half the cost . I feel the 718 GTS is the most underrated car on the road today . They began the 718 so badly with the 4 cyl turbo but they ended it right .
Take a look at the slalom record . Its no joke !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64FjxXJH28Q
It's all matter of opinion and I know it sounds like blasphemy, but I actually like driving the 992 better than the Cayman/Boxster. And I owned one of those too (GT4).
Re: 992TTS - it doesn't feel *much* faster than the 991.2 TT I owned. Honestly, once you get in the upper echelon, it's hard to tell the difference. 2.4 sec vs 2.9 seconds - both are fast as sh*t and both have that TURBO rush, unlike the more linear Carreras. The big improvement is in dynamics, steering and feel. The 992TTS feels like a proper sports car, IMO. The 991.2 TT/S does feel a little more one dimensional - big power is what it's all about.
But for the 991.2TT/S, like I said previously, the 992 Carrera edges it out for me - mostly based on feel.
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It's all matter of opinion and I know it sounds like blasphemy, but I actually like driving the 992 better than the Cayman/Boxster. And I owned one of those too (GT4).
Re: 992TTS - it doesn't feel *much* faster than the 991.2 TT I owned. Honestly, once you get in the upper echelon, it's hard to tell the difference. 2.4 sec vs 2.9 seconds - both are fast as sh*t and both have that TURBO rush, unlike the more linear Carreras. The big improvement is in dynamics, steering and feel. The 992TTS feels like a proper sports car, IMO. The 991.2 TT/S does feel a little more one dimensional - big power is what it's all about.
But for the 991.2TT/S, like I said previously, the 992 Carrera edges it out for me - mostly based on feel.
Re: 992TTS - it doesn't feel *much* faster than the 991.2 TT I owned. Honestly, once you get in the upper echelon, it's hard to tell the difference. 2.4 sec vs 2.9 seconds - both are fast as sh*t and both have that TURBO rush, unlike the more linear Carreras. The big improvement is in dynamics, steering and feel. The 992TTS feels like a proper sports car, IMO. The 991.2 TT/S does feel a little more one dimensional - big power is what it's all about.
But for the 991.2TT/S, like I said previously, the 992 Carrera edges it out for me - mostly based on feel.
0-60 is not auto journalist time . The real straight line are 1/4 mile , standing mile , 30-130 roll, I was into all of this many years ago until I saw what looked too dangerous once blowing past OEM parameters into no mans land .
Look at the times . They update this .https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...le-thread.html
And yes ..... don't race this 991.2 TTS .Its got you by two full seconds .
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Yeah like I said -power is not the issue. The 992TTS steps it up in terms of feel and handling over the 991.2.
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In these days of low inventory, I have been fortunate enough to test drive a few different trims; however none were the 7MT, an option which I’ve made part of my C2S Cab order last June.
As fortune would have it, I spotted a 7MT on the lot yesterday while killing time waiting for servicing on my Macan. I asked my SA about it, who seemed surprised it was there. Perhaps it was a recent trade-in or lease return. Nevertheless, he slapped some plates on it and I was soon enjoying dry roads and uncommonly mild Ontario weather.
As much as I enjoy the intuitive sophistication of PDK, it can’t augment the sense of engagement of a MT.
Going to stick with my choice.
As fortune would have it, I spotted a 7MT on the lot yesterday while killing time waiting for servicing on my Macan. I asked my SA about it, who seemed surprised it was there. Perhaps it was a recent trade-in or lease return. Nevertheless, he slapped some plates on it and I was soon enjoying dry roads and uncommonly mild Ontario weather.
As much as I enjoy the intuitive sophistication of PDK, it can’t augment the sense of engagement of a MT.
Going to stick with my choice.
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I’m able to get sticker for the 992 order and am currently getting a certain number for the GTS. In a normal world, that number would go down with time and mileage. I think it still does, but maybe way less to not at all now. They want to pre-trade, but then I’d be without a 911 for up to a year or more. If I keep it longer and don’t trade until the 992 is ready, I’d get less, but I’d also be making payments along the way. I think the payments made will bring down the amount owed at a higher rate than the vehicle would depreciate with more time and mileage under its belt (less given for trade-in). Thoughts?