All I know, from my own eyes…when I visit my local dealership there are no new Porsche’s on the lot, with the exception of a handful waiting for the new owners to come and take delivery (so, obviously, they are selling some cars).

But it’s a different feel when I go to my dealership NOW, from when I first visited the dealership in June 2020. In 2020, there were actually 911’s I could test drive and waiting to be sold. Not any more…at least at my dealership.

 

Although I don’t necessarily agree with Nick, and Porsche clearly does what they need to do to insure their profit your statement about allocations is incorrect. Supply chain issues have significantly impacted the prospective allocations for 2022.

 

Kia ora Nick. Live Long and Prosper.

 

My local dealership said they got zero allocations for a CS in the last distribution. They did get other 911s, but not that one. I imagine the CS is probably the #1 or #2 most commonly bought 911? Shortage seems pretty real for me. All the local dealerships are empty. My parents just bought a CR-V and had to wait.

I don’t know if Nick’s numbers are spot on, but the general theme seems correct. Cars are short.

I wonder how much impact the current covid surge in Germany will worsen things. Not to mention the surge in China where many parts must come from.

 

Bingo !!!! Alas we agree .

I have yet to be given a "yes you have a slot" or "not this round ". Instead I am being told "no one has been called yet . A new GM is in place and needs time to sort out who gets what ."
Not one person I have spoken to has been sold a car at ADM . Maybe their concern is flipping cars or perhaps they shuffled the deck .

One week is an awfully long time to figure things out . I texted my GM that I bought 11 out of my 17 Porsches from them including the first 991.2 GTS that arrived here from the same sales adviser that I have today . I expressed that I would have bought all 17 cars from them but there was a period long ago that my confidence was shaken and its my hope to be retained . My deposit was placed before the car was announced . I deserve the car and believe I earned it .

Needless to say I am disgusted . I have considered several avenues .

1) Just wait and shut up . I'll Gert MSRP but I will have to wait .

2) Against my principles offer an ADM and depending on it being reasonable cut down my spec to just essentials . We both lose but I do need. anew car . I could live with a 150K 911 and a 10K ADM Vs a 173K 911 and loaded up. I cant bring myself to do it !!! It would bother me that much.

3) Pull the deal entirely . Just pass . Keep my car and just fix it if it breaks as with miles and time it can . Wait for better times and a buy a car then from someone else .

More than a "yes or no " I hate being dangled . Even with a slot irrespectable if ADM or not present on the lot . There are the possibilities of delays and hiccups . Its one thing to ask an ADM on car that is sitting right there and another on one that isn't . They have not even mentioned ADM to me . I would accept things much more if they rejected it or gave my slot to a 918 buyer .
I wonder if anyone else has no solid answer .

But yes , Cody ,...I agree your above . Right now it its no longer fun . Buying a new car should be .

 

True . There is a longer term consequence though. The quick money grab might work for TODAY . If things normalize (like it did with toilet paper , etc) those formerly loyal customers wont ever gain that confidence back . The dealerships who are the most greedy will become the most empty and the customers who thought they were bright by paying the highest ADM will get slammed the hardest in trade or sale . The moment one dips his toe in the muck he better hope that the NOW lasts forever because the minute it reverses it can get sour.

 

My take is - Truth matters. Honesty matters. I may not like what my SA tells me, but if they are (at least) honest with me as to what’s going on, I can respect that. Ultimately, I have the final say as to whether or not I want to wait months, or move on. But shuffling and playing allocation bingo behind my back, to keep me on the line, is counter to what I believe is the correct thing to do.

But I get that they want to maximize their profits, and by being upfront and completely transparent with customers, could mean some will walk. Ironically, though, in today’s frenzied market, if someone walks…there are 5 people waiting for you to leave, so I really don’t see where a dealership loses anything if some walks away from the table? Nevertheless, I like to believe that most of us still value dealerships and SA’s that fully disclose the details of the “Porsche buying experience”…which as many of us have experienced, often means long waits, with promises of an allocation date gone by the wayside.

 

Having a desirable trade in {21' 718 cayman GTS 4.0} helped in securing a 992 GTS coupe allocation.

 

He he, the hate for Nick Murray is mighty but fear not brave keyboard warrior of the forums you will be the victor and strike a blow from afar.

 

Nick, i know you dont get rattled by any of this !...I want to say thank you i find your videos informative and entertaining !...helped me decide on cutting through what options are needed and what are silly ...keep it up! thanks

 

I agree. I think he's great. His 2-parter on 911 options was very important to me, especially since there were no actual cars I could look at.

 

Nick , I like your videos . I feel you offer a unique perspective of an owner about these cars as well as the buying experience . So often we see opinions by auto journalists rather than actual car owners . I do disagree on your views on the 911 GTS though and feel in part its tainted by an alcantara bias . Please understand that just as the leather quality in a Toyota is different than a Porsche so is the race tex different than a Lancia . It is a distinguishing component of a GTS to bring a styling cue from motorsport in a street car . I know you like more lavish interiors which is fine but its not a reason to dislike a car that you have not driven yet .

I believe you are sincere with how tight things are . If you have read my posts you can see the frustration and emotion was a knee jerk reaction of upset . My dealership has assured me not to worry and all will be ok . Just sit tight . I have have decided to just shut up and wait .

I have observed that the general tone overall (not just on the forum but in society as a whole) has been tense . These threads ought to be a happy thing rather than argumentative and it think its not personal.. I think we all want the same thing .

I read your posts back in 2012 and have watched and enjoyed your videos over the years . In fact at one time I thought of reaching out to you to review my modded 997.1 Turbo but I just let it go. I don't have facebook or twitter or youtube . I am not a social media guy so I hope you get a chance to read here that your efforts are appreciated.

Lastly .. I do like ho you care for animals which is totally separate from cars . It is one of my hobbies outside of cars and I have spent more time and money in animal rescue than on all my cars combined . Rarely there is overlap between my hobbies and interests so keep doing what you do .

Be well .. Larry ((thats thats where yrral means backwards ) .

 

If you think things are crazy with the 911, check out what is going on with the Tesla Model Y. Endless prices increases from the manufacturer, and its still going for $10K over. And check out one of their owner/buyer forums, they actually are overjoyed at the higher prices they are paying, the more they pay for the car, the prouder they are of themselves. It's a cult, it really is. People are paying $60K+ for a car that maybe has the content of a $30K Kia.

 

That comment is unfair, because KIA’s build quality is like a Maybach compared to what Tesla is selling.

 

Gee Tee Ess.

G.T.S.

GTS

Grand Turismo Sport

The BEST 911 trim of all time.