New 992 - to PPF or not ?
#1
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New 992 - to PPF or not ?
I'm sure this question will create a fair amount of discussion !!!!
I will be taking delivery of my 911 in just a few weeks - its on the Siem Confucius heading for Jacksonville as I type.
Estimates for full PPF are around $6k and partial $2k.
I will probably trade the vehicle in 2 or 3 years.
Will the dealer even care that the car has PPF or for that matter even a private buyer?
Over the past 30 years I've purchased more than 20 new vehicles, non have had PPF.
None of these vehicles had more than minimal paint chip damage on the front bumper and hood and neither dealer or private buyers overtly tried to lowball the price they were offering when the cars were sold.
I'm having a hard time persuading myself that even a $2k partial PPF application makes sense.
Welcome opinions both pro and con !!!!
I will be taking delivery of my 911 in just a few weeks - its on the Siem Confucius heading for Jacksonville as I type.
Estimates for full PPF are around $6k and partial $2k.
I will probably trade the vehicle in 2 or 3 years.
Will the dealer even care that the car has PPF or for that matter even a private buyer?
Over the past 30 years I've purchased more than 20 new vehicles, non have had PPF.
None of these vehicles had more than minimal paint chip damage on the front bumper and hood and neither dealer or private buyers overtly tried to lowball the price they were offering when the cars were sold.
I'm having a hard time persuading myself that even a $2k partial PPF application makes sense.
Welcome opinions both pro and con !!!!
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#2
You will more than likely get $0 back of the money you spend on PPF, if trading back into dealer. On the flip side, I’m sure it’ll increase the private resale value, with the next owner knowing the factory paint has been preserved, in addition to the PPF still have many years left in it after 3 years.
So it really depends if you KNOW you’ll be simply trading it in at the dealer, probably PPF the front at most. However, if you intend on private sale in 3 years, front at minimum.
All just my opinion of course. My C4S is slated to be delivered mid December here and I already scheduled with my installer to do the entire car with XPEL asap. I intend on keeping the C4S (my first 911) for a long time — so no brainer for me.
So it really depends if you KNOW you’ll be simply trading it in at the dealer, probably PPF the front at most. However, if you intend on private sale in 3 years, front at minimum.
All just my opinion of course. My C4S is slated to be delivered mid December here and I already scheduled with my installer to do the entire car with XPEL asap. I intend on keeping the C4S (my first 911) for a long time — so no brainer for me.
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I am on the fence as well on my new delivery. My only experience with PPF was a yellowed disaster that pulled paint up when removing it from my old 996 GT3. The technology has improved a ton over the years but I am not sure the cost of 2k to 10k (full wrap) is worth it for me to save on a few stone chips. If it was a “forever” solution that did not have concerns or pulling up edges and potentially replacing is 5-7 years, it would be an easier decision. Additionally, having an installer disassemble my brand new car to properly install it holds little allure. Currently leaning towards no PPF and just having some “character” markers on the vehicle or maybe just doing the hood/bumper/fenders.
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#4
I’m seriously considering skipping PPF when I take delivery this month. I’ve never had it for any of my previous vehicles and I’m feeling a little tapped out, having just purchased a winter wheel set.
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I am doing full front, windshield, mirrors, and rear rockers. This will be the second car I've had PPF on. The other was an Alfa Romeo 4C. It was well worth it on the Alfa. I sold it private party and the paint was like new. Had I not had PPF, there would have been issues. I sold it for 80% of what I paid for it new, and the quality of the paint had to be a factor. That car was not my daily driver. This one will be. I agree that it's expensive. But so is the 911. This is my first 911, and the most pricy car I've ever owned. I want the protection and the peace of mind that it brings.
However, if this was a lease or I knew it was going to be sold back in 2-3 years, then I would most definitely NOT get PPF. This car will be a keeper for me.
However, if this was a lease or I knew it was going to be sold back in 2-3 years, then I would most definitely NOT get PPF. This car will be a keeper for me.
#6
I had PPF on an M2. It still got 1-2 chips in the hood through the PPF and after a couple of years some of the PPF didn’t look great. I traded it in and definitely didn’t get that money back. I got an M2 competition and didn’t do PPF and after 2 years there are a few small rock chips, and the rocker panels are a little scuffed up (if looking really closely), but really nothing bad overall. I’m selling it now without PPF without any issue (different car than 911 obviously) and I’m glad I didn’t spend money on it. I’ll take deliver a my first 911 in February or March and I keep going back and forth on whether or not to PPF. My installer does xpel and suntek reaction. The suntek reaction is interesting to me. 6k for full car is a lot. For some reason, I want to either do full car or nothing. My first M2 had full front and rocker panels/ rear fenders and it always bothered me a little that it was only partially protected.
Long story short, I think I’m still leaning towards no PPF… I just need to mentally be ready to drive the car knowing it’s going to get some chips. I want to enjoy it and not baby it too much. It’s tough though given how beautiful these cars are and the amount we spend on them.
Long story short, I think I’m still leaning towards no PPF… I just need to mentally be ready to drive the car knowing it’s going to get some chips. I want to enjoy it and not baby it too much. It’s tough though given how beautiful these cars are and the amount we spend on them.
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I am doing at least a partial and maybe a full frontal as the idea of getting chips drives me and my OCD nuts. LOL.
For many of us these are aspirational cars and I am willing to spend the money. If for others the vehicle is a 2-3 commitment, then I probably wouldn't spend the money, however the trade value in this market would reflect at least a partial ROI. If the dealer resells as a CPO and if the vehicle needs some work to bring it to a marketable standard, (e.g. chip repair/respray) I have found that they have been willing to give me up money for my trade(s) if PPF has been applied. Just my two cents.
For many of us these are aspirational cars and I am willing to spend the money. If for others the vehicle is a 2-3 commitment, then I probably wouldn't spend the money, however the trade value in this market would reflect at least a partial ROI. If the dealer resells as a CPO and if the vehicle needs some work to bring it to a marketable standard, (e.g. chip repair/respray) I have found that they have been willing to give me up money for my trade(s) if PPF has been applied. Just my two cents.
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I am in the same boat as you. I am seriously considering if PPF is worth it. Although reluctant, I am thinking of doing the front especially because of how many online videos I have seen about the 911's design being a stone/chip magnet. Nick Murray mentioned it in his latest video too.
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It’s definitely helpful to hear if PPF has helped on trade values. I like to think I’ll keep this car a long time, but history says 2-3 years and I get the itch for something else. I also worry about the installation process even though the installer has a lot of experience. I think most of the really reputable people have help so you never really know who is working on your car.
Has anyone had the suntek reaction? It’s supposed to act like a ceramic coated PPF. I think that makes it more appealing to me. I had ceramic gtechniq ultra applied to my wife’s new SUV recently and it seems really nice and is staying much cleaner than if would without it.
Has anyone had the suntek reaction? It’s supposed to act like a ceramic coated PPF. I think that makes it more appealing to me. I had ceramic gtechniq ultra applied to my wife’s new SUV recently and it seems really nice and is staying much cleaner than if would without it.
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A 992 with the standard front fascia isn’t a chip magnet. At almost 30k miles, I can count my chips on one hand. No PPF. Two of those chips are on the back of the car.
You will not recoup the cost of PPF at sale or trade-in. PPF hides the actual condition of paint underneath. Some buyers don’t like that.
I have had cars PPF’d. My Alfa Romeo 4C Spider is PPF’d (XPel Ultimate) and that film saved the day when a hubcap hit the car this summer. I am a believer PPF, but it’s not appropriate or necessary for every car or every person.
If you’re nervous about chips, etc, PPF does get you piece of mind — and allows some people to better enjoy their car without constantly worrying.
That being said, on a daily driver, the PPF will look weathered after a while. It never looks as good as paint.
You will not recoup the cost of PPF at sale or trade-in. PPF hides the actual condition of paint underneath. Some buyers don’t like that.
I have had cars PPF’d. My Alfa Romeo 4C Spider is PPF’d (XPel Ultimate) and that film saved the day when a hubcap hit the car this summer. I am a believer PPF, but it’s not appropriate or necessary for every car or every person.
If you’re nervous about chips, etc, PPF does get you piece of mind — and allows some people to better enjoy their car without constantly worrying.
That being said, on a daily driver, the PPF will look weathered after a while. It never looks as good as paint.
#11
I've said it before and I'll say it again: PPF makes very little sense. People are falling prey to a completely made-up industry. The only people telling you about all that "soft paint" your car apparently left the factory dripping with are the same people trying to sell you something for that said soft paint. Get your car, use a good ceramic spray (more for the shine than protection) and do it yourself. Include your rims in this so that they will be easier to clean in the future. Don't go crazy with it, just get some Mothers CMX or something else you can apply in a day and then just enjoy the car.
#12
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NO PPF for me. Unnecessary considering when I drive it, where I drive it, and how I drive it. NO winter weather or early spring driving when winter crap still on ground, NO gravel, and I don't tailgate others.
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PPF is less about resale value, if at all, and more about your own piece of mind and enjoyment during the time you own the car.
If you’re the type that agonizes over water marks, every millimeter sized chip, and paint imperfections then get your car wrapped. As in fully wrapped.
If you’re more like, “**** it, I bought the car to drive and if it gets dinged it just means I’m one step closer to having an excuse to get a new car” then forgo the PPF.
If you’re the type that agonizes over water marks, every millimeter sized chip, and paint imperfections then get your car wrapped. As in fully wrapped.
If you’re more like, “**** it, I bought the car to drive and if it gets dinged it just means I’m one step closer to having an excuse to get a new car” then forgo the PPF.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: PPF makes very little sense. People are falling prey to a completely made-up industry. The only people telling you about all that "soft paint" your car apparently left the factory dripping with are the same people trying to sell you something for that said soft paint. Get your car, use a good ceramic spray (more for the shine than protection) and do it yourself. Include your rims in this so that they will be easier to clean in the future. Don't go crazy with it, just get some Mothers CMX or something else you can apply in a day and then just enjoy the car.
The water based paint on the new Porsches is in fact more prone to chips vs. the older (and environmentally irresponsible) system. The facts are that PPF will help protect the vehicle against rock chips vs. naked paint. And although a ceramic spray will help enhance the appearance and offer some surface protection as well as make the vehicle easier to clear; it will do nothing to protect the paint surface like PPF.
It really boils down to value/cost determination and there are clearly solid arguments on both sides.