View Poll Results: Which direction do you wish Porsche went with 992 GTS?
Keep old formula. Optioned up S, power bump, and pricing discount
17
17.71%
Differentiate GTS, but with different engine like rest of GTS line-up
49
51.04%
Happy with direction they went. Differentiate GTS with non-engine upgrades not available on an S
30
31.25%
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I think what makes the 992 generation of the GTS trim level so much more intriguing than previous generations is the 992 GTS is not simply a tarted up C2S, with some fancy Race-Tex (née alcantara) bits and badging.
For once, the GTS actually has a quasi-bespoke dampers setup (a hybrid of the TT/TTS dampers and rear helper springs even though no double wishbone from the GT cars) and larger brakes from the TT/TTS. It's now actually not only a more powerful car than the S, but a better car from a chassis tuning standpoint.
For once, the GTS actually has a quasi-bespoke dampers setup (a hybrid of the TT/TTS dampers and rear helper springs even though no double wishbone from the GT cars) and larger brakes from the TT/TTS. It's now actually not only a more powerful car than the S, but a better car from a chassis tuning standpoint.
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One difference on the 992 that has not been mentioned is that it gets the big brakes of the 911 Turbo, for the first time in GTS history. Think about that. Why do you suppose Porsche upsized the brakes this time? I won't say what I'm thinking, but will say I'm an engineer.
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And the 30hp boost. But I think the point is, that's the "formula" they have always done on the 911. Some bits and pieces (performance and alcantera along with center locks) that make the car more performance orientated - but not necessarily that different. I think that's what Nick Murray was bitching about - the other models get serious attention with their GTS package. And no, I don't know what Porsche could have done different - maybe a de-tuned motor from the turbo?
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I think what makes the 992 generation of the GTS trim level so much more intriguing than previous generations is the 992 GTS is not simply a tarted up C2S, with some fancy Race-Tex (née alcantara) bits and badging.
For once, the GTS actually has a quasi-bespoke dampers setup (a hybrid of the TT/TTS dampers and rear helper springs even though no double wishbone from the GT cars) and larger brakes from the TT/TTS. It's now actually not only a more powerful car than the S, but a better car from a chassis tuning standpoint.
For once, the GTS actually has a quasi-bespoke dampers setup (a hybrid of the TT/TTS dampers and rear helper springs even though no double wishbone from the GT cars) and larger brakes from the TT/TTS. It's now actually not only a more powerful car than the S, but a better car from a chassis tuning standpoint.
It does seem Porsche is sandbag on engine power & Torque ratings now.
Greenies don't like huge power ratings from ICEs.
According to magazines the 640 Hp Turbo S is highly underrated.
A Chicagoland friend of mine traded a 991.2 Turbo S with a tune for >700 Hp on the drunk for a 992 Turbo S. He says the 992 Turbo S is so much faster than his 700+ Hp tuned 991.2 Turbo S, that it's crazy. He simply does not believe the factory 640 Hp for the new 911 Turbo S. He thinks Porsche is now underwriting the upper end 911s.
And one magazine article I read said the new 992 911 Turbo S is the fastest accelerating production sports car they ever tested.
Hmm...
Reminds me of the muscle car era of the 1960s when Detroit mfrs sandbagged on engine ratings. They rated the Plymouth/Dodge 426 dual-quad Maximum Performance hemis at 425 Hp. That rating was so low that all the car mags laughed at it, at that time...
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The GTS appears designed to a specific audience with options tailored for someone who wants a more trackable C2/4S, whether or not the car will see the track. I'm not a fan of many of the trim options and more inclined toward a Gran Turismo optioned car (the suppler standard suspension w/o 10mm lowering etc) . Centerlock wheels are way cool but difficult to support (would you trust your local tire shop with them?). It'd be nice to have the Turbo Brakes as a lesser cost option on the standard car (instead of justthe $9K CC), but I doubt that would be a meaningful improvement in normal driving. The 30BMP bump can be had and exceeded by a quality tune (Techart etc) for relatively little investment. So for me the GTS attraction is only its brakes and power. For those who like the several other exclusive features of the car, it appears a satisfying solution.
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No, it isn’t. Lol. The price delta of a C2S when optioned as close to a GTS as possible is less than $3k, which is what I showed with the build and what I thought the OP was talking about. However, after rereading the posts, I’m really not sure what the OP was trying to convey. Leather and ventilated seats are options that increase the price on both models, not sure why those were brought into the discussion.
I know the GTS isn’t the model for you, but as you continue to lead the crusade against it, I can’t help but think you already know it’s going to be better than a C2S.
Edit: have any of the actual reviews talked about increased turbo lag? I have only read a couple and didn’t see anything. Might be time to stop pushing the false narrative.
All kidding aside, the 992 GTS is very attractive package if the included options are of interest. The bespoke items are icing on the cake.
I know the GTS isn’t the model for you, but as you continue to lead the crusade against it, I can’t help but think you already know it’s going to be better than a C2S.
Edit: have any of the actual reviews talked about increased turbo lag? I have only read a couple and didn’t see anything. Might be time to stop pushing the false narrative.All kidding aside, the 992 GTS is very attractive package if the included options are of interest. The bespoke items are icing on the cake.
And the GTS has larger turbos...and that means more lag (that's kind of a duh). That's not going to show up launching the car or on a spirited mountain drive with the engine at full boil.. It is going to show up as you DD it. Noticeable? Maybe on a back to back drive - but I notice the lag on my S, so making that worse is not cool. And no, I'm confident the GTS would not be better for me - and that seems to be the issue with many here. "The GTS is the sweet spot!" - ha, for who? Not me, others? maybe - but the tone here is "If you don't agree the GTS is the perfect car, something is wrong with you"..
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I believe you are missing the point. The GTS is going to come with options you may not want. If they match up, great, if not, you pay more. As I've pointed out, with my spec, the delta is closer to $12K.
And the GTS has larger turbos...and that means more lag (that's kind of a duh). That's not going to show up launching the car or on a spirited mountain drive with the engine at full boil.. It is going to show up as you DD it. Noticeable? Maybe on a back to back drive - but I notice the lag on my S, so making that worse is not cool. And no, I'm confident the GTS would not be better for me - and that seems to be the issue with many here. "The GTS is the sweet spot!" - ha, for who? Not me, others? maybe - but the tone here is "If you don't agree the GTS is the perfect car, something is wrong with you"..
And the GTS has larger turbos...and that means more lag (that's kind of a duh). That's not going to show up launching the car or on a spirited mountain drive with the engine at full boil.. It is going to show up as you DD it. Noticeable? Maybe on a back to back drive - but I notice the lag on my S, so making that worse is not cool. And no, I'm confident the GTS would not be better for me - and that seems to be the issue with many here. "The GTS is the sweet spot!" - ha, for who? Not me, others? maybe - but the tone here is "If you don't agree the GTS is the perfect car, something is wrong with you"..
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"In the past, Porsche offered an optional factory "power kit" for 911 Carreras, but not this time around with the 992. The 2022 porsche 911 Carrera GTS is therefore your only pass for accessing a version of the 3.0-liter twin-turbo flat-six tuned up to 473 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Those figures are achieved via an approximately 14.5 percent increase in turbo boost pressure (the peak is now 18.3 psi), and they reflect improvements of 30 hp and 30 lb-ft compared to the Carrera S. Those numbers also bring the GTS' output somewhere near the ballpark of the GT3's 502 horses. The only actual engine-hardware upgrade, Porsche says, is a strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque."
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While I'm sure I've read it, MotorTrend seems to say it is just more boost. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-drive-review/
"In the past, Porsche offered an optional factory "power kit" for 911 Carreras, but not this time around with the 992. The 2022 porsche 911 Carrera GTS is therefore your only pass for accessing a version of the 3.0-liter twin-turbo flat-six tuned up to 473 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Those figures are achieved via an approximately 14.5 percent increase in turbo boost pressure (the peak is now 18.3 psi), and they reflect improvements of 30 hp and 30 lb-ft compared to the Carrera S. Those numbers also bring the GTS' output somewhere near the ballpark of the GT3's 502 horses. The only actual engine-hardware upgrade, Porsche says, is a strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque."
"In the past, Porsche offered an optional factory "power kit" for 911 Carreras, but not this time around with the 992. The 2022 porsche 911 Carrera GTS is therefore your only pass for accessing a version of the 3.0-liter twin-turbo flat-six tuned up to 473 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque. Those figures are achieved via an approximately 14.5 percent increase in turbo boost pressure (the peak is now 18.3 psi), and they reflect improvements of 30 hp and 30 lb-ft compared to the Carrera S. Those numbers also bring the GTS' output somewhere near the ballpark of the GT3's 502 horses. The only actual engine-hardware upgrade, Porsche says, is a strengthened dual-mass flywheel to cope with the additional torque."
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I believe you are missing the point. The GTS is going to come with options you may not want. If they match up, great, if not, you pay more. As I've pointed out, with my spec, the delta is closer to $12K.
And the GTS has larger turbos...and that means more lag (that's kind of a duh). That's not going to show up launching the car or on a spirited mountain drive with the engine at full boil.. It is going to show up as you DD it. Noticeable? Maybe on a back to back drive - but I notice the lag on my S, so making that worse is not cool. And no, I'm confident the GTS would not be better for me - and that seems to be the issue with many here. "The GTS is the sweet spot!" - ha, for who? Not me, others? maybe - but the tone here is "If you don't agree the GTS is the perfect car, something is wrong with you"..
And the GTS has larger turbos...and that means more lag (that's kind of a duh). That's not going to show up launching the car or on a spirited mountain drive with the engine at full boil.. It is going to show up as you DD it. Noticeable? Maybe on a back to back drive - but I notice the lag on my S, so making that worse is not cool. And no, I'm confident the GTS would not be better for me - and that seems to be the issue with many here. "The GTS is the sweet spot!" - ha, for who? Not me, others? maybe - but the tone here is "If you don't agree the GTS is the perfect car, something is wrong with you"..
The only internal difference between the GTS engine and the regular Carrrera S is beefing up the dual mass flywheel to account for at the additional torque in the GTS v. the S (420 v. 390).
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Personally I don't need the GTS badge, the centerlocks or lack of wheel options, the SD front, etc. So the S with SPASM, PSE, RAS and an MT work just fine. If I was ok not having rear seats I would have bought a 718 GTS (except for the fact that it still has a 2013 interior). And if the base came in a manual, I may have gone for that, though I can't say I mind the S brakes and SPASM. As to the HP bump, it's Porsche's tune on the S engine, so I can achieve that with my own tune. And if I do I'll have 992 MT that breaks the speed limit in town faster than I do now (which is why some like the base better as you can enjoy the gearing more before you are needing to slow down). IMHO the GTS eliminates things I want, without giving me more in return, for more $$ before even considering current ADMs and availability.
