The 992 S has over 100 ft. lbs. of torque more than a base Carrera. This is huge and very noticeable every single time you push the accelerator to any degree, be absolutely certain of that fact. A Base with Sport Chrono may be a nice bump over the non but it is never going to have the punch or overall performance of the 992S. Look at an overlay of the base vs "S" stock dyno plots. You get what you pay for in this arena.

 

If all I/we wanted was a vehicle to get us from Point A to Point B this forum and Porsche's would not exist. I have a 911 because I like having a bit of "fun" getting from A to B. The PSE and Chrono options definitely make the car more "fun" to drive. Many would argue that a C2S is required because they need/want a MT even though a MT results in a slower car, it's more engaging and for many that makes the car more "fun". I live in the Los Angles area and while I prefer the Zen of the MT the reality of L.A. Traffic means my C2S is PDK.

Now . . . . for all those who dis about Black on Black cars . . . Please, everyone knows that "real" 911's are either Black or Guards Red and the Black ones are the fastest!
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First of all, the unit is "lb-ft", not ft lbs.

Second, I'd love to see where the hell you saw 100 lb-ft difference between the two, base vs. S. Show me, give me the link, or you are totally bluffing BS, smoking snake oil.

Third, why didn't you go for the Turbo or Turbo S? What stopped you from spending the extra money? Performance difference is huge between the carreras (=base or S, same engine, called normal models by some) and turbos (=top dogs, respect, meet one of these on the street, your tail will drop for sure), every professional reviewer agrees night and day difference between the S and Turbo S, (but not between the base vs S, strange!), the engine itself is totally different, and I am sure as a person who's as much performance oriented as you, obsessed with it, and has this much disposable income to buy an S would have no problem shelling out a few extra more, seriously.

And finally, do you like music & have super nice audio yourself? If not, why don't you invest about meager $15k in it? Or nice kitchen upgrade/refresh? Seen subzero pro line refrigerators? Or Viking ranges? They starts around $15k I think, and they will transform your kitchen, just swap out the old ones, install new ones, easily done in 2 hours. If you got those, how about getting some concrete basketball court in your backyard or new Gazebo? They will all be good values, guaranteed, will blow your mind, change your life, increase your home value and impress everyone visiting your house as well as enjoyed by your whole family. "I" insist "you" get them as well, in addition to an upgrade from the lowly pathetic 2S coupe to the ultimate 911 Turbo S.


Oh, don't forget the "the base vs "S" stock dyno plots" you keep mentioning, where is it???

 

 

I really believe you can live very happily without sport chrono or sport exhaust. Unfortunately I'm in a tiny group that think that as the vast majority or rennlisters believe they are absolutely necessary. And these or others like them will be your buyers when its time to sell so listen to what they say.

 

Is there any reason why you can't Google and click a few times. Everything I stated is readily available for your digestion, probably be a good learning experience for you. You can lose the attitude while you are at it. Sorry for pushing your buttons and obviously offending you. Now go do your own homework.

 

First of all. You can note that torque is in ft. lbs. not "lb. ft." as you claim, whatever, who cares.
Just couldn't resist setting the record straight here.


So we have 483 "ft. lbs." (stock) of measured torque for the 992 Carrera S vs 377 "ft. lbs." (stock) for the Base Carrera. 483-377=106. There it is Dude, 106 more "ft. lbs." of torque for the Carrera S. You asked "where is it?", There it is.
Why don't you chew on that for a while. Can't wait to hear the response which I doubt will include any kind of a Thank You for doing your homework.

 

Multiplication is commutative so the order doesn't matter. Derp. I see that several of you are not STEM grads.

 

I have a C2 and I would say yes to Sports Chrono and PSE. The car is really magical. I took it on the 3600 mile trip and hit twisties in AR, TN and KY. Spent a day at the dragon. I would say they are a must but all builds are individual.

 

Love the passion on this thread. Exactly why I am looking forward to becoming part of this community! I am a big watch guy and it reminds me of how new comers are just learning about the hobby and I feel like one right now! I will check out the build when it comes in this week and will keep these comments in mind before i make my decision! Thanks all!

 

Great, fair enough, I apologize for calling you smoking snake oil, you did have a source.

But the same tuning company posted another plot, more thorough, more broad rpm ranges, without factor multiplied, and it shows a slightly different story.

Your plot starts at 2500 rpm, but the car idles at 800-900 rpm, and Porsche claims peak torque for the base starts at 1950 rpm.

From the plot here, at 2000 rpm, the base torque is about 300 lb-ft, while S has about 320 lb-ft, only about 20 lb-ft difference.

As rpm increases, difference gets bigger, which is more in-line with what I felt during test drive.


Per professional reviewers, in Harry's garage, his favorite Porsche was the 992 Turbo S, then if he'd buy one, he'd choose 718 GT4, then 992 base, and then 992 S.

Car and Driver also got nothing but praise for the base, except the plastic interior which is the standard for S as well and could be upgraded in both models.

Automobile magazine says get an S if you need manual tranny, otherwise stick with the base.

Other reviewers all favor the base too, did not see anything negative so far, so for "most" people I don't think S is an obvious choice over the base and worth the extra $14-$16k.


992 Base Dyno Plot


992 S Dyno Plot

 

Haha, I am a STEM grad, if you call STEM as something special and proud, not dissing it as a worthless BS degree like I do, YOU are probably not a STEM grad.

BTW, lb-ft is a convention, like lightyear is a unit of distance, not time, or eV is unit of mass sometimes.

Torque as a cross product of vectors, it is expressed position vector X force vector, and as you should well know, I highly doubt though, cross product is not commutative.

If you reverse it, the vector will point to the opposite direction, right? :P

 

I will make life simple for you.

If you have the budget, get the S.

If you don't, get the base.

Done.

 

I see my earlier comment about base vs S has started quite the debate. As I said before, I spent 3 days on track with the C2, C2S and Turbo S at the porsche race school in Alabama and I can confidently say that the S certainly has more torque, but the Carrera 2 when equipped with sport chrono and all the other performance options was an incredible machine on track (as is mine on the street) and did not feel like it was that much of a difference from the S. Even the instructors at the porsche track experience center were saying how similar and capable both are as street and track cars. The improvement in engine mapping with chrono is all i wanted to point out in my earlier post. That combined with the sound of sport exhaust IN MY OPINION ONLY made the experience as exhilarating as the S (even though we all know there is a bump in power, i just didnt think it was drastic).

The Turbo S on the other hand... that is a serious step above. honestly though, it showed its weight on track... i felt more confident in the C2 and C2S because they were lighter and felt like there wasnt as much weight to slow down in turns. would be a hell of a car to daily drive though

here are some pics from the event. highly recommend to anyone interested in learning more about racing

 

Exactly right! ft/lbs and lb/ft are the same.