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You won't have as much fun with a C2S in the streets as you would with a C2, and you won't have as much fun with a C2 in the roads as you would with a C2S.
Same chassis, same basic engine....it's effectively the same car with less power.
I don't see how a Carrera could be more fun than the same car with more power. I see that posted a lot - I agree with the concept of a lower powered NA motor being potentially more fun than an FI car, simply because you can wind it out....but a weaker FI engine with the same exact architecture is not really analogous to that. It's not like the C2S has monster lag or is meaningfully heavier.
Now the Carrera does come stock with smaller wheels and tires. That can make the car feel a little lighter and it's easier to play with slip when the car is under tired. Maybe that's part of the charm for Carrera people? That I understand.
I think he is coming from an often repeated premise on here that the S has almost a bit too much power and that the S hits speeds that are illegal/too far past legal to really drive/safety with traffic or however you want to put it, but that it achieves those speeds to quickly and that the base Carrera can be more fun in the city because it takes just a touch longer to hit those speeds. That is a sentiment I have seen repeated here numerous times. Originally for both $$ and possibly that reason I was part of the “if the base only came in a manual” club then I could save money and it might be more fun but I think really that sentiment / argument is fallacious.
I think he is coming from an often repeated premise on here that the S has almost a bit too much power and that the S hits speeds that are illegal/too far past legal to really drive/safety with traffic or however you want to put it, but that it achieves those speeds to quickly and that the base Carrera can be more fun in the city because it takes just a touch longer to hit those speeds. That is a sentiment I have seen repeated here numerous times. Originally for both $$ and possibly that reason I was part of the “if the base only came in a manual” club then I could save money and it might be more fun but I think really that sentiment / argument is fallacious.
Agreed 100%. In the city, I like a faster and more powerful car. I drove my fully-built STI (~600HP at the crank, ~2900lbs with gas in the tank -- yes, race car with a license plate) through Boston, NYC, Philly, and Washington, DC. That experience left me with the impression that a "rally car" is darn near perfect for the city. Ridiculous acceleration keeps you out of trouble.
Perfect city car, right here...
(And oh yes, this car could cash the checks the livery was writing. Selling it was a grand concession to adulthood. My 992 C4S replaced this car. In some driving circumstances the Subie was/is the faster car, but the 911 is just so much better at getting the power to the ground. At times, when the boost hit hard, the STI would just spin the tires, even above 70MPH.)
Agreed 100%. In the city, I like a faster and more powerful car. I drove my fully-built STI (~600HP at the crank, ~2900lbs with gas in the tank -- yes, race car with a license plate) through Boston, NYC, Philly, and Washington, DC. That experience left me with the impression that a "rally car" is darn near perfect for the city. Ridiculous acceleration keeps you out of trouble.
Perfect city car, right here...
(And oh yes, this car could cash the checks the livery was writing. Selling it was a grand concession to adulthood. My 992 C4S replaced this car. In some driving circumstances the Subie was/is the faster car, but the 911 is just so much better at getting the power to the ground. At times, when the boost hit hard, the STI would just spin the tires, even above 70MPH.)
Nice! I had a WRX back in the day (not built like yours). Fun car. Those things teach you what lag truly is. Lag is funny -- at a certain point it gets so bad, it actually becomes fun.
Nothing....nothing....BOOM.
Re: the "slow car driven fast is more fun" concept - my little 993 is a blast to drive when there is no traffic on an early morning drive. In traffic, it's an absolutely miserable pain in the ***. If I'm driving in real world traffic...it's critical to have torque and lots of it.
When it comes to defensive driving, the best defense is a good offense.
Originally for both $$ and possibly that reason I was part of the “if the base only came in a manual” club then I could save money and it might be more fun but
My C2 costs more than a C2S, and I don't like manual transmission on a daily driver.
Originally Posted by 3rdpedal
I think really that sentiment / argument is fallacious.
I test-drove both versions for almost a week.
Last edited by khalil; 05-15-2021 at 04:29 PM.
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Very weird indeed and absolutely incorrect.
In what world is a less powerful, slower accelerating performance car more fun and more desirable? Get real.
I couldn't disagree more!
I mean, perhaps in open and deserted cities...
When you are sitting there at an intersection at a stoplight, it’s nice to put some distance between you and the mass of cars behind you. When you are merging into traffic, acceleration is your friend. When you have to get across six lanes of traffic, quicker is better.
I was just in Philly earlier this week in my 911 C4S and had to get across town to the airport, in traffic. It was the right tool for the job. Growing up riding motorcycles in urban environments, I learned to really appreciate power and nimbleness in the so-called concrete jungle.
Agreed. A car with more power is actually more fun in the city.
I will respectfully disagree with this statement. My 964 Carrera 2 was plenty quick, as was my BMW 335 Coupe, but in the city neither was as much fun as my 1330cc Mini!
I think he is coming from an often repeated premise on here that the S has almost a bit too much power and that the S hits speeds that are illegal/too far past legal to really drive/safety with traffic or however you want to put it, but that it achieves those speeds to quickly and that the base Carrera can be more fun in the city because it takes just a touch longer to hit those speeds. That is a sentiment I have seen repeated here numerous times. Originally for both $$ and possibly that reason I was part of the “if the base only came in a manual” club then I could save money and it might be more fun but I think really that sentiment / argument is fallacious.
I think that this frequently occurring notion that the base 992 is great for city streets, but that the S is too fast is just absurd. The two cars are very close in performance. An S will get to 60 about 0.4 of a second faster than a base-- about two quick eye blinks. I have a C2S manual, and it is delightful to drive in any context. Now, one can make the argument that all 992's are too fast for city driving, but if that is so, then all Corvettes, Mustang and Camaro V-8's, Teslas, and virtually every high end sports car competitor are also "too fast". I don't buy it. I think it's great to tool around 98 percent of the time at partial throttle and below 4000 rpm, but in those two percent moments when you want or need the full potential of the car, it's a huge plus to have tremendous power under foot.
No such a thing in the cities; cities have streets, and not highways.
Do re-read my first post, especially the line where I recommend a C2S for travelling.
05-15-2021 | 09:27 AM
