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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 03:14 AM
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So Porsche use cheap film? I guess they could.
I think Porsche is using 3M as the supplier for the factory film in front of the rear tires. It’s not great, and xpel, suntek, or Stek are better.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by HouTexCarreraS
I have about 4,000 miles on my 14 month old C2S--ceramic coating only with no PPF. Sure, there are a few tiny rock chips on the front end that I minimized with Dr. Colorchip, but the natural paint still looks fantastic and I thoroughly enjoy that more than the look of PPF. I will be trading the car before it is 3 years old and I couldn't see protecting the paint with PPF for the next owner--never have, never will, and there has never been an issue with trade-in value. My opinion, of course and I believe that is what the OP is looking for.

Longer term, higher mileage car--maybe a different story.
this amplifies that everyone has a different use case for their car, a different perspective, and different tolerance for minimizing imperfections. Zero judgements on anyone’s opinion or preference, just sharing genuine experience. Your car is very low mileage, it will have 10k miles by trade-in for the time you will keep it. I am curious if you would have a different opinion if keeping the car 6 year plus , driving it 10k miles a year, and going on ralllies with 20+ other Porsches where GT3 RSs wearing ultra wide and sticky cup 2 tires are throwing rocks at you. Or, on a track.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 03:45 AM
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I did ppf and I’m happy with the peace of mind it brings. The job was done well and it’s barely noticeable. I’d definitely do it again if I purchased another 911.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 07:11 AM
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I just bought my 2021 Base Carrera over a month ago and only got the ceramic coating applied through my Porsche Dealer...did not get PPF.

I don’t think PPF is a “scam” per say but somewhat misleading. You will still most likely get chips/blemishes but not as many.

At this point you would have to get your ceramic coating removed, possibly get full paint correction, possibly get the entire car wrapped and then possibly get talked into putting another ceramic coating on top of the wrap. You’re talking close to $10,000 invested probably for all this...money you will never get back when you sell the car.

BUT...totally worth it if you want the car shiny and easy to clean...to me that is the benefit of PPF and ceramic coating...especially if you can’t wash your car every week.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 08:59 AM
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I call it a scam because the industry through social media, etc have done a great job at convincing a large number of people that PPF is essential to protect your paint and therefore the value of your car when if fact the resale value of a car with PPF is no different to one without. Just look how many people on this forum are convinced of its vale. And as for those who then go and ceramic coat their PPF...well...I am speechless.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:42 AM
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A good test of the quality of a wrap is how they adapt the corners
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 09:49 AM
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I have full frontal (hood, bumper, front fender) and side mirror PPF as well as ceramic coating for the rest of the car.

I think it was a worthwhile investment. The very corners of my PPF (back of the hood) are peeling up slightly, which I've been told is often to be expected. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with that.

But it's a small price to pay for protecting the vulnerable areas from those high velocity stones, etc.
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
I call it a scam because the industry through social media, etc have done a great job at convincing a large number of people that PPF is essential to protect your paint and therefore the value of your car when if fact the resale value of a car with PPF is no different to one without. Just look how many people on this forum are convinced of its vale. And as for those who then go and ceramic coat their PPF...well...I am speechless.
That I agree with...to me the main benefit is the shine and easier to clean.
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When I was trying to decide whether or not to install ppf on my new 2012 Cayman the owner of arguably the best high end body repair shop in South Florida told me he would never own a new car without ppf. All my Porsches since then have been protected. I am overly OCD and rock chips on a 150,000 dollar car would drive me crazy. The body shop owner’s shop didn’t install ppf by the way.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris3963
I call it a scam because the industry through social media, etc have done a great job at convincing a large number of people that PPF is essential to protect your paint and therefore the value of your car when if fact the resale value of a car with PPF is no different to one without. Just look how many people on this forum are convinced of its vale. And as for those who then go and ceramic coat their PPF...well...I am speechless.
I have already weighed in on this thread earlier. I would not go so far as to call it a scam but I do believe people have done an excellent job of marketing the benefits of PPF. I have no doubt that the film does protect the paint compared to an unwrapped car. I just do not see the ROI, I love my cars and take care of them as well as anyone on this site. At the end of the day it is just a car and regardless of how well we take care of them the fact is that 3, 5, 7 years or what ever from now the car will be worth less than the price we paid for them and the fact that one car had PPF over another the difference in value will be small.
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by phila12180
I have already weighed in on this thread earlier. I would not go so far as to call it a scam but I do believe people have done an excellent job of marketing the benefits of PPF. I have no doubt that the film does protect the paint compared to an unwrapped car. I just do not see the ROI, I love my cars and take care of them as well as anyone on this site. At the end of the day it is just a car and regardless of how well we take care of them the fact is that 3, 5, 7 years or what ever from now the car will be worth less than the price we paid for them and the fact that one car had PPF over another the difference in value will be small.
Not necessarily, if the one with ppf has better paint and the remaining amount warranty left on the 10yr PPF warranty vs. the other has manny stone chips on the hips, hood and...
the 1st will obviously be worth more not to mention having PPF is a added value when you sell it. Also it kinda is like virtue signaling to the next owner that the car was well taken care of. My lava orange goes in today, I can’t wait to be able to drive it carefree (that is worth the price alone).
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 10:31 AM
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My 992 C4S was paint corrected and ceramic coated, but I skipped PPF on that car.
I PPF'd my Alfa Romeo 4C Spider, because the car is in appreciation mode and Alfa puts a lot of paint in harms way. The original film on the Alfa was just replaced after 4 years when it started to yellow -- very visible on a white car. As noted in the above post, PPF just saved the front fascia of my Alfa 4C Spider from a freak hub cap incident.

I've had past cars wrapped, PPF'd, and gone au natural. From this experience, here are my thoughts on PPF...

If you don't drive your car very much, the ROI on PPF just isn't there. The few paint chips that you pick up are cheaper to remedy with an expert paint chip person -- doesn't require a respray. You also have to look at PPF as something that you're willing to replace every 4-5 years. It doesn't hold up like paint and it visibly ages. When it starts to turn yellow, the glue is increasingly likely to pull up some paint with it. Don't go into PPF thinking that it's going to protect the car for a decade.

Unless the PPF is virtually brand new, it doesn't help the car's value at trade-in or resale. PPF hides defects in paint. Good shops do paint correction before applying PPF, but many don't even bother, because PPF hides those things. Yes, you do sacrifice paint depth when you PPF. For me, I didn't want to cover the Aventurine Green on my 992 C4S and lose that depth. While most people can't tell, to a trained eye and the snickety, a PPF'd finish will never look as good as paint.

I don't mean to sound negative on PPF. Again, one of the cars in my current fleet is PPF'd. It's just important to understand that you are making some compromises with PPF. It's not a panacea. The costs can be especially significant if you're holding onto the car long enough that replacement time comes.

If you are the kind of person where a small rock chip will ruin your day and/or the fear of such things may prevent you from truly enjoying your car, invest in PPF, because it will give you some piece of mind. If the risk of an occasional rock chip isn't a big deal to you, feel free to skip it.

For me, if a bouncing hubcap had to hit the car, I am glad that I was driving the one protected by PPF. Now, I can rest easy, because I have that "once in a lifetime" risk out of the way. LOL
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by rhr992c4s
I am curious if you would have a different opinion if keeping the car 6 year plus , driving it 10k miles a year, and going on ralllies with 20+ other Porsches where GT3 RSs wearing ultra wide and sticky cup 2 tires are throwing rocks at you. Or, on a track.
Like I said, "longer term, higher mileage car--maybe a different story".
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Old Apr 19, 2021 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Tupper
I have full frontal (hood, bumper, front fender) and side mirror PPF as well as ceramic coating for the rest of the car.

I think it was a worthwhile investment. The very corners of my PPF (back of the hood) are peeling up slightly, which I've been told is often to be expected. I'm still trying to figure out what to do with that.

But it's a small price to pay for protecting the vulnerable areas from those high velocity stones, etc.
Did they over lap the edge, or did they just cut it with a razor blade ?
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Originally Posted by detansinn
My 992 C4S was paint corrected and ceramic coated, but I skipped PPF on that car.
I PPF'd my Alfa Romeo 4C Spider, because the car is in appreciation mode and Alfa puts a lot of paint in harms way. The original film on the Alfa was just replaced after 4 years when it started to yellow -- very visible on a white car. As noted in the above post, PPF just saved the front fascia of my Alfa 4C Spider from a freak hub cap incident.

I've had past cars wrapped, PPF'd, and gone au natural. From this experience, here are my thoughts on PPF...

If you don't drive your car very much, the ROI on PPF just isn't there. The few paint chips that you pick up are cheaper to remedy with an expert paint chip person -- doesn't require a respray. You also have to look at PPF as something that you're willing to replace every 4-5 years. It doesn't hold up like paint and it visibly ages. When it starts to turn yellow, the glue is increasingly likely to pull up some paint with it. Don't go into PPF thinking that it's going to protect the car for a decade.

Unless the PPF is virtually brand new, it doesn't help the car's value at trade-in or resale. PPF hides defects in paint. Good shops do paint correction before applying PPF, but many don't even bother, because PPF hides those things. Yes, you do sacrifice paint depth when you PPF. For me, I didn't want to cover the Aventurine Green on my 992 C4S and lose that depth. While most people can't tell, to a trained eye and the snickety, a PPF'd finish will never look as good as paint.

I don't mean to sound negative on PPF. Again, one of the cars in my current fleet is PPF'd. It's just important to understand that you are making some compromises with PPF. It's not a panacea. The costs can be especially significant if you're holding onto the car long enough that replacement time comes.

If you are the kind of person where a small rock chip will ruin your day and/or the fear of such things may prevent you from truly enjoying your car, invest in PPF, because it will give you some piece of mind. If the risk of an occasional rock chip isn't a big deal to you, feel free to skip it.

For me, if a bouncing hubcap had to hit the car, I am glad that I was driving the one protected by PPF. Now, I can rest easy, because I have that "once in a lifetime" risk out of the way. LOL
the hubcap incident is not that rare, happened to me in 2008 on an Audi. In 2000 I had a flying road sign land between my windshield and sunroof at highway speed, that was scarier.

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