Great info - haven't heard the same on this end, but I hope you're right. Thanks for sharing.

 

I just spoke to the GM at my dealer. He said that even if they are projecting Nov/Dec deliveries (he hasn't heard anything, BTW) new models (the GTS will be considered a new engine) are currently taking 4 months past the projected delivery dates to get to customers because of federalization.

 

Makes perfect sense regarding federalization timing and thanks for noting that. I need to call around to a few other dealers this week and see if anyone else can confirm the info about later this month.

 

Right now I have a Targa 4S build in V200. September build with November delivery. The GM said if a Targa GTS allocation becomes available before my build locks I can switch. I'm in the northeast and wouldn't drive the Targa much over the winter, so even if the GTS is delayed until spring with federalization I'll probably do it.

 

Do we know this for a fact? Not just bigger turbos for the GTS?

DaveGee

 

I should have been more clear. No one knows yet, but even if it’s just bigger turbos it’s still considered a “new” engine and has to go through federalization.

 

hmmmmm.... targa gts spring euro delivery might be in store.... I hope this new info is right... we've had a few too many false starts with the gts so far...

 

Hmm...think that guy is being sold a dream...not there yet to see a GTS release. My dealer and former SA still have no clue on GTS release and are still having issues fullfilling all that are seeking 992 allocations for current models. To do what this guy is saying would mean revealing the GTS car to the public in some format in what 2 weeks? Then opening the configurator and having allocations avail soon after for dealers. Not likely I would think...but check the various automakers and Youtube Automotive schedules and posts to see would be a good way to get some pre-recon on this statement. Are there any upcoming Autoshows anywhere globally in the next 4-8 weeks? If you take a look at both and get silence from all or most then I think a 6/23 addition to the configurator for allocation release and Sept/Oct builds is unlikely. My take is an Fall release with Spring 2022 deliveries. Just don't think Porsche has the bandwith production wise in the current environment to put the GTS out there at least in the US for deliveries yet especially when folks are still have difficulties getting normal 992 models, the GT3 not even being delivered yet in the US, and still global tire, microchip issues. I mean when is the last time you SAW a good number of 992's in stock anywhere in the US on a dealer's lot/floor? I mean more than 1-2 cars...they're like unicorns man...so I think the hope of seeing a GTS in Oct/Nov is just that...HOPE but not one based in current automotive production and sales realities.

Haven't even mentioned the CARB/DOT approval issues which will affect it as a new model/engine....they couldn't get that one right with my 2021 and others who had NO changes in engine last winter. Cars were not released till almost Dec so that will likely play a factor too even if the above schedule holds true likely. But they say good things come to those who wait. My question with all cars now being wide bodies...other than a few performance bits added and maybe 10-20 more hp/torque and a new badging and interior package outside of the cost saving a GTS always gets you over the comparably equipped Carrera S...what will the 992 GTS entail that would make one give up their current car or forgo a secured allocation for a possible GTS? The current cars in all formats are fast enough and the S I think most of us cannot utilize the majority of the on-road/street performance of the car...not do many owners track it...so what does the current 992 S lose to the 992 GTS? That is the million dollar question that I think for some will leave them disappointed or like blah!

 

Fwiw, the 991 GTS was introduced on October 8, 2014, as a MY15 model (the third model year of the 991). I ordered mine the day it was announced and got my dealer's first allocation. The car was delivered to me on 12/31/14. That was a dinosaur's age ago, but it gives some perspective to how these cars have been rolled out historically.

 

I haven't been able to confirm the info from any other parties and it doesn't seem like anyone else has either. Totally agree that the info doesn't exactly mesh with the reality of current manufacturing bandwidth capabilities. I had already been planning for a likely fall/winter GTS release with 2022 deliveries up until my SA randomly contacted me.

I've never understood the line of thinking "why not just get an S?" For me it's "why get an S when you can get a GTS?" I guess maybe if I was in a rush to get a car, sure, but I'm not. Simply put; the GTS offers more for less. It already includes 90% of the things I would add plus bigger turbos (assuming they stick with the trend from the 991.2) which means the modifications ceiling is higher by default. Do any of us need the slight performance boost of the GTS? Of course not, but none of us need the performance offered in a base C2 either. Hell, no one needs the performance offered in the majority of modern cars...but we sure do want it. I'm not trying to reason with myself that I'll be able to utilize even close to the majority of the performance offered by any 911, but then again buying a 911 isn't a reasonable decision. It's just desire, pure and simple. You got what you wanted. I'm gonna wait and get what I want. We can both hopefully be happy.

 

The way I see it. MY20 had two options. Base & S. If you were in the market for a 911 in 2019. Your choices were simple.

Now, say in 2022; I were in the market for a new 992. I’d have the option to choose a base, S, GTS, TT, TTS, GT3 for MY22/23. So it gets complicated.

Let’s just say I’m happy I was in the market in 2019. 🤪

 

They might put a detuned 4.0 into the GTS this time like in the Cayman + give it 4 seats then cancel the R. I would be a buyer of this as the backseats is what is holding me (and many others) back from a GT car.

 

 

Yes buying a 992 is never reasonable and this is normally a discretionary purchase but that doesn’t take all reason out of the whole decision process! Lol. As for the car itself; it far exceeds performance metrics for almost all owners driving on normal streets/roads so that is a mute point in itself. The question of GTS vs S as you say mostly boils down to preference and to some degree costs savings. My point is when folks talk about upgraded turbos and hi increases such they are normally referring in their discussions to things they can’t even really assess themselves or notice or use. Bigger turbos and more hp most will not use in normal driving and such…now if you start to talk desirability and exclusivity vs the others like the S or base then the conversation changes! Lol.

As for the why get an S vs a GTS my only comment has been the same that the GTS isn’t even announced and/or released yet from Porsche and numerous factors continue to conspire against getting one anytime soon so to continue to ask where is the GTS? Has anyone seen an update? Or here the latest unconfirmed allocation from said unknown sales advisor is just a mute point and discussion as there’s no car yet to spec, allocate, place a deposit on and/or purchase. At this point we could go round and round on what it needs to be? When it will come out? And who will get one till the cows come home! It’s still all fairy dust at least through most of 2021 likely with no US GTS cars to customers until likely this time NEXT year in early 2022 likely.
In 2021 there is still just the base car, S and Turbo variants along with GT3. Possible GTS will be the 2022 addition then. Agree that IF one knows what they want and Porsche actually makes said model…then yes choice is simple.
why do that and cannibalize sales from the Cayman GTS 4.0 by putting the detuned 4.0 in there? Can’t see that as a smart decision by Porsche to do unless they want to see the 718 brand tank as the Panamera likely is also.

 

no one predicted they would put some form of 4.0 in a cayman but they did. This tells me Porsche don’t give a ***. all speculation until it’s not.