C4S vs Turbo for DD
12-30-2020, 06:10 PM
#16
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Dealer says only 150-175 TT will be built for 2021.
12-30-2020, 06:35 PM
#17
Burning Brakes
12-30-2020, 06:41 PM
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Buy the TT if you are going to hang out at the track with it. If the car is going to be a DD, there is virtually no public road where you could appreciate the power of the TT. All 992's are fast cars, but the TT is over the top, and probably best enjoyed on deserted runways. Also, the spoiler and side vents disturb an otherwise beautiful design. I'm getting a 2S with a manual, and I'm inclined to think that it will be a lot more fun to drive around in than the TT.
12-30-2020, 06:44 PM
#19
I have a C4S allocation that locks in a few weeks. Just found a Turbo (non S) allocation I could have. This thread is not about cost.
Car will be my DD in MN so year round. Yes I have other cars I could drive in winter but why? Here are the questions I found asking myself:
1) Assuming both cars are equipped with PASM would the Turbo ride firmer? Would it be lower? I have to assume the Turbo is lower and firmer to begin with?
2) Can I fit a 19/20 setup for winter on the Turbo like I can on the C4S? Or are the front brakes (non PCCB) bigger on the Turbo?
3) Any concerns with reliability on a first model year car? It seems there are (at least some) issues with the 2020s base and S cars. 2021 is the first year for the Turbo.
Thanks folks!
Car will be my DD in MN so year round. Yes I have other cars I could drive in winter but why? Here are the questions I found asking myself:
1) Assuming both cars are equipped with PASM would the Turbo ride firmer? Would it be lower? I have to assume the Turbo is lower and firmer to begin with?
2) Can I fit a 19/20 setup for winter on the Turbo like I can on the C4S? Or are the front brakes (non PCCB) bigger on the Turbo?
3) Any concerns with reliability on a first model year car? It seems there are (at least some) issues with the 2020s base and S cars. 2021 is the first year for the Turbo.
Thanks folks!
That said - the Turbo was a wonderful car to daily drive. It's comfortable and obviously fast. There was literally no downside that I recall. These cars are meant to be driven. There is nothing about the Turbo that makes it less daily drivable than the Carrera. Fundamentally, these are the same cars in most ways. As such, the Turbo could end up more reliable than the first year of the Carrera. Turbo engines are traditionally VERY stout. All the electronics are basically the same.
If the budget fits a Turbo then get the Turbo. There is no other reason to pass on it unless you REALLY want a manual transmission or RWD. Keep in mind the slippery slope. It's hard to keep these things very cheap. That said, I'm still ~$25k under the price of an equivalent TTS.
Buy the TT if you are going to hang out at the track with it. If the car is going to be a DD, there is virtually no public road where you could appreciate the power of the TT. All 992's are fast cars, but the TT is over the top, and probably best enjoyed on deserted runways. Also, the spoiler and side vents disturb an otherwise beautiful design. I'm getting a 2S with a manual, and I'm inclined to think that it will be a lot more fun to drive around in than the TT.
Last edited by rk-d; 12-30-2020 at 06:45 PM.
12-30-2020, 07:06 PM
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Thank you all. Some good info and thoughts in here.
Any reason if I was ordering sport PASM with my C4S that I would not do the same with the Turbo?
Looks like RWS is standard on the Turbo?
Any reason if I was ordering sport PASM with my C4S that I would not do the same with the Turbo?
Looks like RWS is standard on the Turbo?
12-30-2020, 08:08 PM
#21
SPASM on the Turbos look soo good. Stance is on point.
12-30-2020, 08:33 PM
#22
Hi Lucycan,
I’d rule out concerns about first year issues as most of your potential issues would be software/hardware shared by both platforms since 2020. The 3.7 engine is based on the 3.0 9A2 Evo which has been in these cars since 2017. If price is a non issue, and both cars are going to be daily PDK, get the one that appeals more to you. I’d normally say drive them both but may be slightly difficult getting a bead on a non S Turbo to drive. Drive a C4S if you haven’t. It’s ridiculously fast and only a few ticks slower than the Turbo. I believe the Carrera S/4S brakes and non S Turbo brakes are the same but not positive. In lieu of extra set of wheels, maybe just get tires and swap them but confident that 19/20 setup would probably work on non PCCB cars. One thing is certain, if you get the 4S, you may or may not regret getting the Turbo, but if you get the Turbo, I doubt you’ll be kicking yourself saying, “damn, should have got the 4S”.
I’d rule out concerns about first year issues as most of your potential issues would be software/hardware shared by both platforms since 2020. The 3.7 engine is based on the 3.0 9A2 Evo which has been in these cars since 2017. If price is a non issue, and both cars are going to be daily PDK, get the one that appeals more to you. I’d normally say drive them both but may be slightly difficult getting a bead on a non S Turbo to drive. Drive a C4S if you haven’t. It’s ridiculously fast and only a few ticks slower than the Turbo. I believe the Carrera S/4S brakes and non S Turbo brakes are the same but not positive. In lieu of extra set of wheels, maybe just get tires and swap them but confident that 19/20 setup would probably work on non PCCB cars. One thing is certain, if you get the 4S, you may or may not regret getting the Turbo, but if you get the Turbo, I doubt you’ll be kicking yourself saying, “damn, should have got the 4S”.
Here we go again...
Carrera = “I don’t need an S. The base has all the power you will ever need”
Carrera S = “You will never be able to experience the full potential of the engine unless you track it”
Turbo = “I don’t need a TTS. The TT has all the power you will ever need”
Turbo S = “You will never be able to experience the full potential of the engine unless you track it”
🤪
Carrera = “I don’t need an S. The base has all the power you will ever need”
Carrera S = “You will never be able to experience the full potential of the engine unless you track it”
Turbo = “I don’t need a TTS. The TT has all the power you will ever need”
Turbo S = “You will never be able to experience the full potential of the engine unless you track it”
🤪
Buy the TT if you are going to hang out at the track with it. If the car is going to be a DD, there is virtually no public road where you could appreciate the power of the TT. All 992's are fast cars, but the TT is over the top, and probably best enjoyed on deserted runways. Also, the spoiler and side vents disturb an otherwise beautiful design. I'm getting a 2S with a manual, and I'm inclined to think that it will be a lot more fun to drive around in than the TT.
Smoking tire did a great review of the 992 TTS. At the end he questioned why get the TTS over the non turbo. Just go to jail quicker.
12-30-2020, 09:05 PM
#23
Burning Brakes
he kind of sums it up when says that the feel of the Carerra’s range is pretty well much the same from C2 to Turbo on most of the roads we gonna drive on. I have a parallel dilemma about whether to upgrade my GT4 to a TT or else buy the wife a C2 Cab and keep my GT4. Although I lust mightily for a Turbo, the latter makes more sense. So Lucycan - you have to decide with head or heart ! Impossible choice 🤯
12-30-2020, 09:07 PM
#24
Burning Brakes
he kind of sums it up when says that the feel of the Carerra’s range is pretty well much the same from C2 to Turbo on most of the roads we gonna drive on. I have a parallel dilemma about whether to upgrade my GT4 to a TT or else buy the wife a C2 Cab and keep my GT4. Although I lust mightily for a Turbo, the latter makes more sense. So Lucycan - you have to decide with head or heart - the practicalities are just a dustraction ! Impossible choice 🤯
12-30-2020, 09:10 PM
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I've managed to stay out of jail (only pulled over once in the last 10 years) with several summer cars that are higher HP than the TT. I think I'll be OK 
12-30-2020, 09:18 PM
#26
It's like I tell my wife when she's in the car..... I'll drive the speed limit, but I'm going to get to the speed limit VERY QUICKLY.
12-30-2020, 09:22 PM
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i would be happy with a C4S daily. Simple and plenty fast. Sexy too.
However, the Turbo body is slightly wider which appeals to my inner child.
hard call.
However, the Turbo body is slightly wider which appeals to my inner child.
hard call.
12-30-2020, 10:32 PM
#28
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If the budget fits a Turbo then get the Turbo. There is no other reason to pass on it unless you REALLY want a manual transmission or RWD. Keep in mind the slippery slope. It's hard to keep these things very cheap. That said, I'm still ~$25k under the price of an equivalent TTS.
If your budget is around $150k, get the C4S. If you can stretch it to $170-$180k, get the TT.
For most guys including myself that prefer a lighter car (nearly 400lb delta) & RWD; the TT/S wouldn't be a consideration.
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12-30-2020, 10:47 PM
#29
Turbo without a doubt and yes order SPASM. The car still isn’t that low. Front axle lift is completely unneeded
12-30-2020, 11:19 PM
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Buy the TT if you are going to hang out at the track with it. If the car is going to be a DD, there is virtually no public road where you could appreciate the power of the TT. All 992's are fast cars, but the TT is over the top, and probably best enjoyed on deserted runways. Also, the spoiler and side vents disturb an otherwise beautiful design. I'm getting a 2S with a manual, and I'm inclined to think that it will be a lot more fun to drive around in than the TT.
Personally, I find the C4S (or C4) more enjoyable as a track car. Not necessarily the better car, but the more enjoyable one.
The TT is brutally fast, and will gobble up circuits like Pac Man working through the maze, but there is something that is lost when the car is so clinically perfect.
As others have said, it's often more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow.
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