Automobile Magazine MT vs PDK Aticle
12-09-2020, 02:09 PM
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My view is that the 992 with PDK, eDiff, torque vectoring now works so well together now vs previous models or the new 992 w/manual that if I were to buy one, it would be a S with PDK
12-09-2020, 02:14 PM
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12-09-2020, 06:00 PM
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12-09-2020, 10:35 PM
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12-09-2020, 11:09 PM
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12-09-2020, 11:34 PM
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After lot of agonizing I ordered the PDK. Still a big fan of manual transmissions and thoroughly enjoyed my Lotus Elise that had one of the best shifters I've ever experienced, and my current 996 has the optional factory sport shifter which is right up there too. Perhaps I'm getting lazy in my old age, but I also learned to like the PDK in my Macan, and the 992 PDK is even better.
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12-09-2020, 11:47 PM
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After lot of agonizing I ordered the PDK. Still a big fan of manual transmissions and thoroughly enjoyed my Lotus Elise that had one of the best shifters I've ever experienced, and my current 996 has the optional factory sport shifter which is right up there too. Perhaps I'm getting lazy in my old age, but I also learned to like the PDK in my Macan, and the 992 PDK is even better.
12-09-2020, 11:48 PM
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My philosophy is that relatively simple systems are better than complex ones (all other things being equal). Unlike the relatively simple, classic Porsches from 30, 40, or 50 years ago, the complex systems in modern cars will be nearly impossible to maintain, repair or keep road-worthy for 30+ years. Can you imagine how difficult it will be to find something like air bag sensors for our cars 30, 40 or 50 years from now? How about spare parts or electrical components for complex dual clutch automatic transmissions? Manual transmissions will always be relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain and repair, and it's just one less thing to go wrong with these complex cars in the future.
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12-10-2020, 12:07 AM
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12-10-2020, 12:08 AM
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My philosophy is that relatively simple systems are better than complex ones (all other things being equal). Unlike the relatively simple, classic Porsches from 30, 40, or 50 years ago, the complex systems in modern cars will be nearly impossible to maintain, repair or keep road-worthy for 30+ years. Can you imagine how difficult it will be to find something like air bag sensors for our cars 30, 40 or 50 years from now? How about spare parts or electrical components for complex dual clutch automatic transmissions? Manual transmissions will always be relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain and repair, and it's just one less thing to go wrong with these complex cars in the future.
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12-10-2020, 12:15 AM
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I’ve said it before. The biggest misconception on RL is the perceived lack of engagement a PDK has to offer. The PDK will be as engaging as it’s owner allows it.
However, my stance has always been that if you aren’t taking your 911 to the track... MT should be your choice of transmission.
However, my stance has always been that if you aren’t taking your 911 to the track... MT should be your choice of transmission.
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12-10-2020, 12:25 AM
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My philosophy is that relatively simple systems are better than complex ones (all other things being equal). Unlike the relatively simple, classic Porsches from 30, 40, or 50 years ago, the complex systems in modern cars will be nearly impossible to maintain, repair or keep road-worthy for 30+ years. Can you imagine how difficult it will be to find something like air bag sensors for our cars 30, 40 or 50 years from now? How about spare parts or electrical components for complex dual clutch automatic transmissions? Manual transmissions will always be relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain and repair, and it's just one less thing to go wrong with these complex cars in the future.
PAG uses the same mechanical base for the PDK and the 7MT, with the only difference being software.
If anything, the 7MT is actually more complex because PAG had to make the shift pattern in the 7MT intuitive and more traditional.
12-10-2020, 12:31 AM
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I have a MT 992, I like it cause it is old school - not looking to go fast.. Just enjoyment of years gone by.
The center stick shift was a waste (My 991 center shift, I did not ever use it, waste of space IMO), as paddles are much better for PDK and can be enjoyed. I have paddle shift in two of my other fun cars (and no center console shifter), and wouldn't trade them...but different purpose, I wanted fast. But with 700+ HP, manual is a death sentence (for me or for the transmission or both). Thus also not available in the Turbo or TurboS.
Each car and set up has it's advantages and disadvantages with manual or PDK. The consensus is that most, and shortly all, will not want the MT's. I am glad porsche still offers it. There are few that do. My Jeep is also MT. Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. have all done away with MT for good. Soon porsche will too, as only 10-15% are buying MTs any longer - and there are not really any advantages, except for novelty and nostalgia. Enjoy it while you can...
I will say, if they offered a MT in the base, I would have opted for that over the C4S..
The center stick shift was a waste (My 991 center shift, I did not ever use it, waste of space IMO), as paddles are much better for PDK and can be enjoyed. I have paddle shift in two of my other fun cars (and no center console shifter), and wouldn't trade them...but different purpose, I wanted fast. But with 700+ HP, manual is a death sentence (for me or for the transmission or both). Thus also not available in the Turbo or TurboS.
Each car and set up has it's advantages and disadvantages with manual or PDK. The consensus is that most, and shortly all, will not want the MT's. I am glad porsche still offers it. There are few that do. My Jeep is also MT. Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. have all done away with MT for good. Soon porsche will too, as only 10-15% are buying MTs any longer - and there are not really any advantages, except for novelty and nostalgia. Enjoy it while you can...
I will say, if they offered a MT in the base, I would have opted for that over the C4S..
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12-10-2020, 02:07 AM
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Truly no wrong choice when choosing your transmission in a 911.
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12-10-2020, 05:16 PM
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Can you explain to me how a PDK is more "complex" than the 7MT?
PAG uses the same mechanical base for the PDK and the 7MT, with the only difference being software.
If anything, the 7MT is actually more complex because PAG had to make the shift pattern in the 7MT intuitive and more traditional.
PAG uses the same mechanical base for the PDK and the 7MT, with the only difference being software.
If anything, the 7MT is actually more complex because PAG had to make the shift pattern in the 7MT intuitive and more traditional.