Automobile Magazine MT vs PDK Aticle
12-10-2020, 05:20 PM
#31
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Can you explain to me how a PDK is more "complex" than the 7MT?
PAG uses the same mechanical base for the PDK and the 7MT, with the only difference being software.
If anything, the 7MT is actually more complex because PAG had to make the shift pattern in the 7MT intuitive and more traditional.
PAG uses the same mechanical base for the PDK and the 7MT, with the only difference being software.
If anything, the 7MT is actually more complex because PAG had to make the shift pattern in the 7MT intuitive and more traditional.
I defy you to find a single Porsche employee who said the 7MT is more complex than the PDK. Ever.
Last edited by gravedgr; 12-10-2020 at 05:22 PM.
12-10-2020, 05:49 PM
#32
Since both are using the same base gearbox, I'm curious what did they remove to make the manual 35kgs lighter. Software only doesn't weigh that much 
12-10-2020, 06:28 PM
#33
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Wait, you're saying managing two paddles, rev limiting, intuitive shift patterns for auto mode, etc., etc. is more complex than finding a way to have a non-traditional gear allocation on an automated clutch tranny marry a manual shifter with a traditional shift pattern? With a straight face?
Not saying one is better or more manly than the other, just saying that it's a mistake to buy a manual under the notion that it will somehow be simpler or more inherently reliable than the automatic PDK. The manual on these cars is literally a hack job. Not a value judgement, just a simple statement of fact.
Aren't they sticking with the previous-generation 7-speed gearbox for manual cars? I'm not sure I ever heard the straight story on that.
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12-10-2020, 07:19 PM
#34
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Wait, you're saying managing two paddles, rev limiting, intuitive shift patterns for auto mode, etc., etc. is more complex than finding a way to have a non-traditional gear allocation on an automated clutch tranny marry a manual shifter with a traditional shift pattern? With a straight face?
I defy you to find a single Porsche employee who said the 7MT is more complex than the PDK. Ever.
I defy you to find a single Porsche employee who said the 7MT is more complex than the PDK. Ever.
I am not taking a position on this thread which transmission (PDK or MT) is more complex to operate.
12-10-2020, 07:30 PM
#35
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https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...-ar186918.html
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Noah Fect (12-10-2020)
12-10-2020, 11:05 PM
#36
I also miss the gear lever shifting for the PDK. My 991.1 GT3 was always shifted like this. Loved it.
12-11-2020, 11:04 AM
#37
Far less stressful...
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SamD (12-11-2020)
01-05-2021, 06:45 AM
#38
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Yes. It's actually pretty easy once you get the necessary muscle memory established in your feet. And, as I found out when I picked up my new Cayman after a twenty year MT gap, you don't forget how once you learn. And you get the bonus of a millennial theft deterrent.
Yep...agree...I spec'd a 2014 981 Cayman S w/6spd manual also for similar reasons. Drivers car=manual in that particular build.
I have a MT 992, I like it cause it is old school - not looking to go fast.. Just enjoyment of years gone by.
The center stick shift was a waste (My 991 center shift, I did not ever use it, waste of space IMO), as paddles are much better for PDK and can be enjoyed. I have paddle shift in two of my other fun cars (and no center console shifter), and wouldn't trade them...but different purpose, I wanted fast. But with 700+ HP, manual is a death sentence (for me or for the transmission or both). Thus also not available in the Turbo or TurboS.
Each car and set up has it's advantages and disadvantages with manual or PDK. The consensus is that most, and shortly all, will not want the MT's. I am glad porsche still offers it. There are few that do. My Jeep is also MT. Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. have all done away with MT for good. Soon porsche will too, as only 10-15% are buying MTs any longer - and there are not really any advantages, except for novelty and nostalgia. Enjoy it while you can...
I will say, if they offered a MT in the base, I would have opted for that over the C4S..
The center stick shift was a waste (My 991 center shift, I did not ever use it, waste of space IMO), as paddles are much better for PDK and can be enjoyed. I have paddle shift in two of my other fun cars (and no center console shifter), and wouldn't trade them...but different purpose, I wanted fast. But with 700+ HP, manual is a death sentence (for me or for the transmission or both). Thus also not available in the Turbo or TurboS.
Each car and set up has it's advantages and disadvantages with manual or PDK. The consensus is that most, and shortly all, will not want the MT's. I am glad porsche still offers it. There are few that do. My Jeep is also MT. Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, etc. have all done away with MT for good. Soon porsche will too, as only 10-15% are buying MTs any longer - and there are not really any advantages, except for novelty and nostalgia. Enjoy it while you can...
I will say, if they offered a MT in the base, I would have opted for that over the C4S..
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SamD (01-05-2021)
01-05-2021, 10:45 PM
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01-05-2021, 11:09 PM
#41
Meh. I like both.