Vintage72

I have driven a PDK, many many times. PDK is really awesome. Yes, I love manuals and I think auto blip is great. However, auto blip does not = pdk. I love PDK, and I may order one in my Spyder. Maybe . . . . probably, I want to share vert driving duties with my significant other - she is aggressive but bad at rowing her own gears.

This is not a debate to me and so many threads are dedicated to it all over Rennlist. Buy what you ENJOY more.

rk-d

This. It's almost like PDK with a lever. Too perfect, too smooth, too easy. There's no art to it. It's still rewarding to nail a heel/toe in a traditional manual, even after years of driving stick shift. Taking that away makes no sense to me. Porsche used to have a button that could turn it off, but maybe that's only in the GT cars.

If I wanted crisp perfection and robotically precise downshifts, then PDK does the same thing, but better.

Jon35

I do hear what you say but in all seriousness. Why can someone using a PDK in manual not do exactly the same thing in working each gear and only shifting when you are good and ready. Perhaps you are not aware of the PDK in manual. The PDK in manual will shift only when you tell it to with either the paddle shifters and in everything pre992 with the gear lever as well and so if you want to drive all the way home in second gear at 6000 RPM that is what you will do. It will not take over for you and it will not force a shift. If you say that it is not even about the clutch or the shift but the ability to decide what gear you want to be in then the PDK is made for you as it, in manual, will allow you to do exactly that. When I drive home and shift into manual I am in total and absolute control of the gears I am in at all times.

Yet when I don't feel like it - which is rare - put it in to full automatic and it is a beast in another skin

Just as an aside The Porsche manual is in effect actually just a redisgned PDK gear box

Jon35

Precisely !!! That is why I laugh at those that insist on a manual as the only way to have a car and then go with auto blip. Rather go with the PDK then and save your knees !!!

Vintage72

checking out on this silly thread . . . buy what you enjoy

AlexCeres

It’s not the same. The MT is anachronistic and imperfect. It requires the driver involvement and timing and choices and skill. Mine’s pretty mediocre so mistakes happen. Which, ironically, is a good thing, I am doing (more of) the driving. The computer is doing less. The PDK turbo is so good, it’s too good. Absolute control and machine perfect every time all the time gets .. routine. Boring. For driver engagement, the MT requires more of the driver. It might not be your idea of fun, but it’s some folks idea of fun.

AlexCeres

those cars are for going extremely fast or for touring. Pdk is great for both. If you’re buying are car for another purpose, you might come to consider them too good to be actually fun on a public street

Jon35

Not when the car is autoblipping for you. There is no skll involved when the car auto blips for you. its a PDK with a clutch.

I agree - this thread is getting silly.

OP get what you want but do not be shamed or guilted into thinking you are getting any less of an experience when you get the PDK. It will be a little different but not better or worse and it will allow you to concentrate on other components of your driving as well.

aggie57

Well, of course we are but with the transmission computer largely overridden by the human one between our ears, interfaced via left leg and right arm. The blip annoyed me at first but now I happily use it most of the time; heel and toe is one twist of a **** away,

gravedgr

Oh, I'm perfectly aware of the PDK and how it functions. I just don't want one in anything outside a daily commuter or dedicated track machine.

To put it differently, you can buy an electronic keyboard that perfectly replicates the notes of a piano and never goes out of tune. I can't think of many pianists who would prefer to play one, despite its technical superiority.

gravedgr

Automatching revs on downshift is only required on the track. On the street, there is little to no value - no one needs to get into a lower gear as quickly and smoothly as it allows, since you really only need 2-4 gears in most daily driving.

Agreed though, its just a personal preference. I do find it funny that those who prefer PDK are determined to convince others of the similarities, while those who prefer the MT espouse the differences. Of course they have both, but what people find important in making their argument is what is telling.

txpackers

If I bought a PDK, my wife would divorce me and my son with disown me. Much cheaper to go with manual.

This might be the last opportunity to buy a 911 with a manual. No way I’d miss out on that.

Penn4S

This is really a personal choice you will have to make so I’ll tell you mine.

I am on 911 number 14. All manual shift cars till #14. I had 4 previous TT cars all manual. I always wanted a TTS, for me it was the pinnacle of Porsche street cars. While in my dealer for warranty work on my Guards Red 991 4S manual I was looking at what they had, as usual, and saw the TTS, minimally optioned like I would have ordered myself. They asked if I wanted to drive it while waiting for my car and initially I said “It’s a PDK I’m not interested”. The SA is a good friend and said give it a roll. During the drive in auto and a little PDK I said to the sales guy, “It’s nice but I miss the manual”. He said let’s really drive it so you can see that you would never be able to extract from this car in manual shift what you can with the PDK. Wow was he right.

I drive it mostly in Sport in manual mode and shift with the stick or the paddles. Sometimes if I have an Fcar or like at a light in a not busy area I slip it into Sport Plus and auto and let the PDK do it’s job with the pedal pushed to max. It’s a great transmission, maybe the best in the market, definitely for the price. Do I miss the manual, honestly no. After driving TR 3’s, TR6’s, several iterations of the Z cars from 240 to 300 Turbo, BMW’s and then a bunch of 911’s all manual I am really happy with the PDK. Good luck in your choice. All great choices.

detansinn

Driving the PDK with the paddles, I don’t feel like I am missing anything on the engagement front. This is the first time that I haven’t had a 3 pedal manual transmission in 30+ years.

I drive my DCT transmissions like they are manuals and have an absolute blast doing so.

Penn4S

This is really a personal choice you will have to make so I’ll tell you mine.

I am on 911 number 14. All manual shift cars till #14. I had 4 previous TT cars all manual. I always wanted a TTS, for me it was the pinnacle of Porsche street cars. While in my dealer for warranty work on my Guards Red 991 4S manual I was looking at what they had, as usual, and saw the TTS, minimally optioned like I would have ordered myself. They asked if I wanted to drive it while waiting for my car and initially I said “It’s a PDK I’m not interested”. The SA is a good friend and said give it a roll. During the drive in auto and a little PDK I said to the sales guy, “It’s nice but I miss the manual”. He said let’s really drive it so you can see that you would never be able to extract from this car in manual shift what you can with the PDK. Wow was he right.

I drive it mostly in Sport in manual mode and shift with the stick or the paddles. Sometimes if I have an Fcar or like at a light in a not busy area I slip it into Sport Plus and auto and let the PDK do it’s job with the pedal pushed to max. It’s a great transmission, maybe the best in the market, definitely for the price. Do I miss the manual, honestly no. After driving TR 3’s, TR6’s, several iterations of the Z cars from 240 to 300 Turbo, BMW’s and then a bunch of 911’s all manual I am really happy with the PDK. Good luck in your choice. All great choices.