lucycan

All such different cars and so fun in their own rights!

gcurnew

My wife would move to the spare bedroom and my son disown me if I ever bought a C8 or a Shelby. They both sound OK (if you like throwback V8 noises) but otherwise tend to elicit more voyeuristic curiosity than real enthusiasm from anyone but marque and model faithful and pandering “journalists.”

Given a completely blank sheet of paper, GM designed a car that looks like the committees in charge of various external elements just gave up (“Fine, put your Camaro rear end on it; we’re NOT giving up our side gills, and Bubba’s whole team is in talks with Gerry Wiegert to use the front clip on the Vector W9 If they don’t get the nod). Inside, the C8 looks like someone dusted off an artist’s rendering from a 1970’s Popular Mechanics story promising “The mid-engine Corvette is REALLY coming“ and charged 6 geeks in a basement to build it using hobbyist 3D printers “Look Mitch...I made a square steering wheel to go with your 68-button centre console. Neato huh?”

Ford should be absolutely ashamed that a car with that much power is only marginally quicker than a BASE 992 with 379 ponies. I guess if your performance target is simply shattering 60s and ‘70s Detroit muscle car performance, the idea of buying a 911 to serve as the European benchmark and disassembling it to get a clue about what the rest of the world has been up to the past 50 years wouldn’t be front of mind. I thought I had blocked off the memory in my subconscious, but the Shelby interior looks almost exactly like the innards of the rental car I picked up in Houston pre-COVID, which caused me to wonder aloud every 100 miles or so what would possess anyone to buy something so crudely designed and badly built. I will give credit where due for not completely screwing up the exterior of the Shelby like GM did with the C8. It looks like what the proletariat expects a Mustang to look like, and will undoubtedly cause a few eyebrows to raise and mouths to pucker in whispered “ooohs” at the MacDonalds drive-through.

Yep, a base 992 costs oodles more than the C8 and the Shelby and by the numbers offers about equivalent performance. Numbers aside, there is no comparison when it comes to build quality and the driving experience. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs IMO when the best that two American manufacturers with unlimited design and development resources can do is not get clobbered by the entry-level 911 in a performance car shootout.

Noah Fect

The way I read the charts, the higher numbers correspond to higher (worse) depreciation. Going by the second chart, a 2013 Corvette has lost ~58% of its value, while a 2013 991 has lost ~42% of its value. But yeah, the fact that it starts out at 100% at the left doesn't make any sense. Either the data is wrong or the scale is, because on this planet Corvettes depreciate like a falling rock.

frankchn

No, I think higher numbers are better. That’s the only way the chart makes sense, or else 2019 cars would have lost more value.

As for Corvettes specifically, there was an article about how C5 Corvettes don’t get driven, bought, or sold and a video from Doug Tabbutt talking about how Corvettes are hard to buy and sell:
Asking prices stay high because most sellers are not motivated and there is a huge bid-ask spread in the market. I am not surprised if the C6 and C7s are behaving similarly.

Noah Fect

He does have an interesting point about Porsches being driven while Corvettes are collected. If you compare 100K-mile 996s to 30K mile C5s and 50K-mile 997s to 15K-mile C6s, you can see how an age-based depreciation plot might make the Porsches look worse.

TheStanman

Correct, the second chart shows how much value is retained so higher is better. Corvettes do not depreciate like a rock. In general, lower price cars hold their value better (as a % of starting price) than cheaper cars.

The 911 holds its value very well compared to other $100K+ cars, not compared to cheaper cars.

​​​​​

SZ992

THIS. THANK YOU. I'm still laughing that we're comparing american cars to Porsche. You can't compare apples and oranges. You can compare a mustang to a camaro, but mustang to a porsche is a completely different thing

LC200

Really disappointed that the Base 992 doesn’t come with an MT. Selling my 991.1 manual Base was my biggest regret.

Didn’t realize Porsche wouldn’t bring it back for the 992.

It’s what has kept me from ordering one for the time being.

mdrobc1213

Yeah gonna have to bite the bullet and move up to the Carrera S for the manual as nothing present or planned to bring the manual back to the Carrera base for MY21 or MY22 right now. They may announce the GTS in the fall or possibly the Carrera T in the next 12-24 mos which MAY add the manual but so far nothing for base cars from my SA and others I've spoken to. SIlence from Porsche AG also as other things they are working on are bringing the 992 GT cars into the lineup also. Sorry.