2021 Turbo S- 640 HP Just Wow!
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The 991.2 Turbo S weighed in at up to 3682lb. The Turbo cars haven’t really never been the “light” 911. Wider and maxed out with luxury options that add weight.
People need to stop losing their minds over the weight of the 992 — it’s really no heavier than then it’s predecessor. On the scales, with equivalent equipment and fluids, the 992 is only about 30-50lbs more than the 991.2 despite having a wider front track and other improvements. It’s a “who cares” weight difference on a car that weighs north of 3,000lbs.
If you want a “lighter” current model 911, that is what the GT3 cars are for and they’re a very different experience than the luxury of a Turbo. It should be noted that, while the GT3 is light for a 911, it is still by no means a “lightweight” sports car. Heck, it weighs 1,000lbs more than my Alfa 4C.
People need to stop losing their minds over the weight of the 992 — it’s really no heavier than then it’s predecessor. On the scales, with equivalent equipment and fluids, the 992 is only about 30-50lbs more than the 991.2 despite having a wider front track and other improvements. It’s a “who cares” weight difference on a car that weighs north of 3,000lbs.
If you want a “lighter” current model 911, that is what the GT3 cars are for and they’re a very different experience than the luxury of a Turbo. It should be noted that, while the GT3 is light for a 911, it is still by no means a “lightweight” sports car. Heck, it weighs 1,000lbs more than my Alfa 4C.
A car weighing 3650 lb is not a who cares over a car that weighs 3153 lb. Yep TTS cars are great but they have some pork.
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Weight can be good if the chassis and driver can use it to their advantage with weight transfer. Watch some rally drivers if you want to see a great example. The problem is still in the fact that all this weight numbs out the feedback. Basically you have to push the car harder to get a similar rush. But like others have said Porsche isn’t just adding weight to make the cars heavier. It’s the demands of the gov and customers wanting options. Buy an older car if lighter weight is your flavor. I personally can’t wait to see what these 992’s will do compared to the competition. In Porsche we trust
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carbon body would have to be the next step in order to save weight. Carbon is 1.5 times lighter than aluminum by volume. That sounds like a substantial weight saving to be had. But at what cost? Not many would she’ll out $300k+ for a 911 Turbo
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The shift to a carbon fiber monocoque would be a big deal and huge change for the 911.
I have driven cars with carbon fiber tubs and my 992 C4S currently shares the garage with such a car. Over the past two generations, the 911 has evolved into a luxury GT that also happens to be an amazing sports car that can even play pretend supercar. From my experience, it's going to be very difficult for Porsche to deliver those luxury GT qualities with a stiff carbon fiber tub. Much of the potential weight savings would likely be offset with soundproofing/deadening material added all over the car.
Does that mean that it will never happen? Not necessarily, but I don't think that we will see a 911 from Porsche with a carbon fiber monocoque until the car goes full EV. With the engine gone, there's less noise and vibration to deal with.
Yes, I am aware that Ruf sells a "911" with a carbon fiber tub, but that car is no luxury GT.
I have driven cars with carbon fiber tubs and my 992 C4S currently shares the garage with such a car. Over the past two generations, the 911 has evolved into a luxury GT that also happens to be an amazing sports car that can even play pretend supercar. From my experience, it's going to be very difficult for Porsche to deliver those luxury GT qualities with a stiff carbon fiber tub. Much of the potential weight savings would likely be offset with soundproofing/deadening material added all over the car.
Does that mean that it will never happen? Not necessarily, but I don't think that we will see a 911 from Porsche with a carbon fiber monocoque until the car goes full EV. With the engine gone, there's less noise and vibration to deal with.
Yes, I am aware that Ruf sells a "911" with a carbon fiber tub, but that car is no luxury GT.
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The shift to a carbon fiber monocoque would be a big deal and huge change for the 911.
I have driven cars with carbon fiber tubs and my 992 C4S currently shares the garage with such a car. Over the past two generations, the 911 has evolved into a luxury GT that also happens to be an amazing sports car that can even play pretend supercar. From my experience, it's going to be very difficult for Porsche to deliver those luxury GT qualities with a stiff carbon fiber tub. Much of the potential weight savings would likely be offset with soundproofing/deadening material added all over the car.
Does that mean that it will never happen? Not necessarily, but I don't think that we will see a 911 from Porsche with a carbon fiber monocoque until the car goes full EV. With the engine gone, there's less noise and vibration to deal with.
Yes, I am aware that Ruf sells a "911" with a carbon fiber tub, but that car is no luxury GT.
I have driven cars with carbon fiber tubs and my 992 C4S currently shares the garage with such a car. Over the past two generations, the 911 has evolved into a luxury GT that also happens to be an amazing sports car that can even play pretend supercar. From my experience, it's going to be very difficult for Porsche to deliver those luxury GT qualities with a stiff carbon fiber tub. Much of the potential weight savings would likely be offset with soundproofing/deadening material added all over the car.
Does that mean that it will never happen? Not necessarily, but I don't think that we will see a 911 from Porsche with a carbon fiber monocoque until the car goes full EV. With the engine gone, there's less noise and vibration to deal with.
Yes, I am aware that Ruf sells a "911" with a carbon fiber tub, but that car is no luxury GT.
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detansinn (02-10-2020)
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People need to stop losing their minds over the weight of the 992 — it’s really no heavier than then it’s predecessor. On the scales, with equivalent equipment and fluids, the 992 is only about 30-50lbs more than the 991.2 despite having a wider front track and other improvements. It’s a “who cares” weight difference on a car that weighs north of 3,000lbs.
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This is the car I am going for. It doesn't have the fugly third wart red light; and I guess I will have to be okay with tiny gear selector.
Now if they fix the 992.2 cosmetically for GTS - then I will be in dilemma.
Now if they fix the 992.2 cosmetically for GTS - then I will be in dilemma.
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Autocar came out with an article today that mentions that the Turbo will be launched at Geneva, but they are quoting 620 hp for the TTS and 570 hp for the TT. It will be interesting to see where the final power figures land.
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chance6 (02-11-2020)
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Geneva sounds right...the 997 TTS had 530 hp, went to 560 in 991.1 TTS. The 620 hp may actually be right!
And the 570 hp for TT makes sense- 10 hp below current TTS, which is what they did when the 991.1 debuted (520 vs. 530).
And the 570 hp for TT makes sense- 10 hp below current TTS, which is what they did when the 991.1 debuted (520 vs. 530).