neil.yoshi

I'm pretty familiar with the GTS concept. What are the performance features that are totally unique to the model and do they have any real worth in the turbo era? For instance there is a mild HP increase. If you plan to exhaust and tune your 911 you'll realize a much greater power gain. What other unique performance features does the GTS offer that would make you consider it over the S? Centerlocks and plastic bits don't count.

rk-d

The GTS conventionally offers the best overall value of the range, from a performance standpoint (though I'd argue a low option non-S Turbo is pretty high up there in performance/dollar, relatively speaking)

neil.yoshi

Right I get that. I'm not asking from the value proposition perspective, that's the point of the GTS. Im asking if there's any unique performance gains that would make you consider it vs an S. Keep in mind an S with an exhuast tune is going to be damn near 600hp.

BSO

During the decision process, I considered 911s up to the GTS.

The C4S ticked all my boxes, 30 extra hp wasn't that important.

For a tuner, the best bang for the buck would be a base, they produce the largest power gains from just a software re-write, if the results from the internet are to believed

neil.yoshi

its a 4.0l TT unless the software/exhaust are garbage you should expect well north of 100hp. Porsche aren't the first cars to run boost.

rk-d

Typically you can spec an S to GTS spec with the powerkit and other options. It will be more expensive that way, but it's possible. I believe centerlock wheels are going to be the only GTS feature not available on the S as an option. The performance advantages of those wheels are debatable, as you've implied yourself - personally I don't think they make sense in a street car. But they do look very cool.

The TT is a unique platform in terms of underlying build and very receptive to monster horsepower.

neil.yoshi

I love the centerlocks but the ones for the upcoming GTS look so fem I want to puke.

G650

In previous generations the GTS was basically a “Value package option” above a Carrera S. It was always possible to spec out a regular “S” with options such as a “Power Kit”, Sport suspension, Sport exhaust, Sports chrono package, etc.

The GTS version combined all these available options at a lower total price, then threw in a few cosmetic extras such as the centre lock wheels and Alcantara interior.

The way I see it, the only available option that is currently unavailable for the 992 ‘S that would essentially make it a GTS is a power boost. But, as you mentioned, with today’s turbo engines, that’s an easy work around.

I’m certain when the inevitable 992 GTS version because available it will be quite popular, and likely hold a price premium over other Carreras in the resale market due to it's perceived exclusivity.

chance6

Interesting...where did you see this?

Porsche911GTS'16

OP, I think you make a good point regarding the relative "worth" of the GTS in the turbo era. The GTS line has become somewhat watered down with the 991.2 version because in the 991.1, it was the most powerful NA engine you could get short of the GT3. Now, it is a turbocharged engine but there are more powerful turbocharged engines available in the Turbo and Turbo S. The GTS is a relative "value" compared to an equally spec'd S (both in the 991.1 and 991.2), so there is that. I have not driven the turbo GTS and the Turbo back to back but from what I have read, they are different driving experiences. I have driven a Turbo S before and I was not a fan. Felt fat and the turbo lag was not insignificant. But I am biased, as I am a die hard NA guy.

CaymanSinAR

Google 992 GTS. Plenty of spy shots.

dhirm5

https://www.motor1.com/photo/4382960...upe-spy-photo/

I like the new wheels. Looking forward to a 992 GTS MT. Hopefully GTS pak includes the sportdesign front/rear as well like the one in the spy photos.

fxz

to increase shareholders profits either you sell more cars or you turbo fool more customers making more profit per unit sold

any other choice?

HKS350

GTS in the 992 version may not be worth it. The 991.2 Version was well worth it as it went from a N/A motor to a turbo motor

My Speculation:
- Centerlock wheels
- Slightly different Tail light setup - Pic's show clear center light
- Aero Changes
- 20HP bump in power
- Interior boxes checked, All Leather or Alcantara etc...

The centerlock wheels actually are a complete PITA and I wish Porsche would realize consumers have tried them and hate them. Yes, they look cool and save some weight but if you've ever had to deal with them at a track day, you just end up pissed wondering why it had to be this way.
Areo is subjective, I've always liked the GTS Aero options
The Lights will be for sale on Suncoast with in a month of the release of the GTS
Tuners will out perform the 20hp power increase very soon. I'd say by Spring 2020.
Base Leather is actually pretty good in the 992 but checking all the boxes is usually pretty awesome with Porsche.

So for a $20k premium you can get the best interior, cool aero, updated tail light's, some really horrible wheels & 20 more HP. You can't mod all of that for less. So as before it is a great value if your wanting the best of the "S" version Carrera.

subshooter

I met someone at a car meet that had a base 991.2 C2 dyno'd at 600hp. Tune, bigger turbos, exhaust and other mods.

Outside of the value proposition, I think there is little performance value if you are ok with deviating from factory specs and tunning/modding your car. 992s are all wide body now too so the GTS wider body of the 991s is no longer an advantage.