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You sure hit the nail right on the head!
What your basically saying is that you openly support companies manipulating consumers to pay more money in order to get the products they love and want so that your retirement fund can grow by riding on the backs of these companies that produce actual products who are levered into these compromised positions by their deal made with the stock market devil.
If that isn't the perfect summary of the money business I don’t know what is!
What your basically saying is that you openly support companies manipulating consumers to pay more money in order to get the products they love and want so that your retirement fund can grow by riding on the backs of these companies that produce actual products who are levered into these compromised positions by their deal made with the stock market devil.
If that isn't the perfect summary of the money business I don’t know what is!
In the same vein, I don't begrudge dealers for charging ADM. I won't pay ADM, but if they can find someone to pay $100k+ ADM for the Speedster or the GT2RS, good for the dealer and I wish them well.
These discussions over business decisions made by a car company always seem to bring out at least one champion of capitalism indirectly protecting their bottom line by cheering on the questionable means in which they seek to generate more wealth using existing wealth.
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This percolates throughout all modern businesses from the CEO down, and thus we end up with what we have.
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I think modern capitalism is setup such that it is difficult to achieve that. For instance, I go to work and do my job because I am getting paid by my company (i.e. making money), not because I have a lot of innate desire to serve my company's customers. If they stopped paying me, I'd stop going to work.
This percolates throughout all modern businesses from the CEO down, and thus we end up with what we have.
This percolates throughout all modern businesses from the CEO down, and thus we end up with what we have.
God bless,
TT
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God bless,
TT
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I hope you're right. By the way, I'm not saying that being rewarded for service rendered isn't important. It obviously is, especially for an individual who must feed, house and clothe her or his family and educate her or his children. But I do believe business owners should be doing what they're doing in large part to serve customers. I'm old fashioned. ;-)
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Above the funding aspects, building cars takes an incredible amount of passion, effort , skill, engineering and technical ability. Or at least it used to...
If making money was always the auto makers primary goal there were plenty of easier and more profitable businesses they could have gotten into , like insurance for instance... Businesses that generate far more for themselves than they output in value to their customers.
Most of these auto companies ( and certainly not Porsche ) were not founded and built by men who's ultimate goal was to get rich. They were founded by men who had a burning passion for automotive design engineering and sought building these companies as a means to share that passion with others.
Unfortunately in today’s corrupted world these companies are no longer run by those men but instead greedy corporate money business types who seek to squeeze every dollar out of the consumer who believes they are still buying into that passion.
Its up to those of us left with that passion to continue carrying that flame and it requires the exact opposite of cheering on the capitalistic forces that are driving out that passion and replacing it with happy shareholders that could care less about anything but numbers, numbers, numbers.
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You sure hit the nail right on the head!
What your basically saying is that you openly support companies manipulating consumers to pay more money in order to get the products they love and want so that your retirement fund can grow by riding on the backs of these companies that produce actual products who are levered into these compromised positions by their deal made with the stock market devil. If that isn't the perfect summary of the money business I don’t know what is! These discussions over business decisions made by a car company always seem to bring out at least one champion of capitalism indirectly protecting their bottom line by cheering on the questionable means in which they seek to generate more wealth using existing wealth.![](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/icon501.gif)
What your basically saying is that you openly support companies manipulating consumers to pay more money in order to get the products they love and want so that your retirement fund can grow by riding on the backs of these companies that produce actual products who are levered into these compromised positions by their deal made with the stock market devil. If that isn't the perfect summary of the money business I don’t know what is! These discussions over business decisions made by a car company always seem to bring out at least one champion of capitalism indirectly protecting their bottom line by cheering on the questionable means in which they seek to generate more wealth using existing wealth.
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I am a proud capitalist and student of history. I understand that regulated capitalism has proved to be the only successfully sustained economic model. Regulation is required to protect markets from the extremes of pure capitalisms (or the extremes of any socio-economic system). But you guys are now entering the realm of comparing MTs to 19th century industrial barons' unbridled pillaging of natural resources or many of the tactics supported by the current American administration.
Dude, this is a product that only one-percenters can afford. Can you imagine how those in a lower economic situation would react to you claiming Porsche owners are being manipulated by greedy capitalists? This thread has gone off the rails. Farce.
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This is a farce.
I am a proud capitalist and student of history. I understand that regulated capitalism has proved to be the only successfully sustained economic model. Regulation is required to protect markets from the extremes of pure capitalisms (or the extremes of any socio-economic system). But you guys are now entering the realm of comparing MTs to 19th century industrial barons' unbridled pillaging of natural resources or many of the tactics supported by the current American administration.
Dude, this is a product that only one-percenters can afford. Can you imagine how those in a lower economic situation would react to you claiming Porsche owners are being manipulated by greedy capitalists? This thread has gone off the rails. Farce.
I am a proud capitalist and student of history. I understand that regulated capitalism has proved to be the only successfully sustained economic model. Regulation is required to protect markets from the extremes of pure capitalisms (or the extremes of any socio-economic system). But you guys are now entering the realm of comparing MTs to 19th century industrial barons' unbridled pillaging of natural resources or many of the tactics supported by the current American administration.
Dude, this is a product that only one-percenters can afford. Can you imagine how those in a lower economic situation would react to you claiming Porsche owners are being manipulated by greedy capitalists? This thread has gone off the rails. Farce.
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We're distressed by the extremities and disrespect that members seem to be drifting to when expressing differing viewpoints. I personally feel it's a symptom of where our American culture has drifted to, and I agree and hope it all stops. Gosh, we're talking about Porsche 911s here! This is supposed to be fun.
God bless,
TT
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