Finally an owner's review for the 992 haters!
07-01-2019, 11:07 PM
#31
Intermediate
You are not alone YoungTurk. We may be the minority, but this was exactly my desire as well. Everything everyone else is complaining about is what made me actually consider and ultimately order my 911.
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07-01-2019, 11:40 PM
#32
That said - I am performance minded - so that is my focus - and that is not for everyone. My hope is, as a minimum, Porsche maybe gives you what you want for the non-Turbo and GT models and then keeps the sport/performance focus on the Turbo/GT models for those of us who enjoy the performance heritage "feel" Porsche made in their past cars. Attitudes are changing - that is clear - Porsche will not do anything they don't think will make them money - and the new gen of owner (which is likely the majority) happy. Clearly this new gen of Porsche 911 owner wants the luxury/quiet along with some performance - or else they would not have made these changes.
Looking forward to seeing what Porsche does with their Turbo and GT lineups.
07-02-2019, 02:07 PM
#33
What people like is subjective - so no one can be wrong. That said - factually - consumers who want what you are asking from a 911 is definitely changing the 911 - it even states this is their new 992 documentation (at least for the non-Turbo and GT models anyway as we haven't seen what Porsche is dong here yet) - and if there are enough of you - factually - you will change what the 911 was created for. The idea of a fully modular platform where you can swap all the luxury and performance into one car as you see fit for any car model, while great for particular consumers, and maybe(?) a good business model overall - defeats the very concept of having different car model options in my opinion as there is no longer a differentiator. I personally don't want my cars to work like an IKEA business-model - but maybe that is the future for Porsche and other car manufacturers.
That said - I am performance minded - so that is my focus - and that is not for everyone. My hope is, as a minimum, Porsche maybe gives you what you want for the non-Turbo and GT models and then keeps the sport/performance focus on the Turbo/GT models for those of us who enjoy the performance heritage "feel" Porsche made in their past cars. Attitudes are changing - that is clear - Porsche will not do anything they don't think will make them money - and the new gen of owner (which is likely the majority) happy. Clearly this new gen of Porsche 911 owner wants the luxury/quiet along with some performance - or else they would not have made these changes.
Looking forward to seeing what Porsche does with their Turbo and GT lineups.
That said - I am performance minded - so that is my focus - and that is not for everyone. My hope is, as a minimum, Porsche maybe gives you what you want for the non-Turbo and GT models and then keeps the sport/performance focus on the Turbo/GT models for those of us who enjoy the performance heritage "feel" Porsche made in their past cars. Attitudes are changing - that is clear - Porsche will not do anything they don't think will make them money - and the new gen of owner (which is likely the majority) happy. Clearly this new gen of Porsche 911 owner wants the luxury/quiet along with some performance - or else they would not have made these changes.
Looking forward to seeing what Porsche does with their Turbo and GT lineups.
I agree with what your saying but where I strongly disagree is the need to purchase an extremely expensive and often unobtainable GT version just to be able to get the rawer sports car feel that made the 911 so successful and relevant throughout the generations.
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nategracey (08-21-2019)
07-02-2019, 02:17 PM
#34
As a performance and heritage enthusiast - I find this sad and disappointing - but as a pragmatist - I recognize I have little control over the consumer masses and their requirements.
Hopefully Porsche keeps the brands legacy and sports car heritage alive with the Turbo and GT cars.
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RobMtz (08-06-2019)
07-02-2019, 03:50 PM
#35
I recognize your point - and I also agree. But the market is the market - with shifts to a younger/millennial crowd - and maybe simply to those who want a luxury and comfort-first, performance third perspective - this is likely the way forward for Porsche. Reading the 992 brochure Porsche makes this quite clear.
As a performance and heritage enthusiast - I find this sad and disappointing - but as a pragmatist - I recognize I have little control over the consumer masses and their requirements.
Hopefully Porsche keeps the brands legacy and sports car heritage alive with the Turbo and GT cars.
As a performance and heritage enthusiast - I find this sad and disappointing - but as a pragmatist - I recognize I have little control over the consumer masses and their requirements.
Hopefully Porsche keeps the brands legacy and sports car heritage alive with the Turbo and GT cars.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
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TurboS_GG (07-03-2019)
07-02-2019, 05:35 PM
#36
Racer
I was originally considering the 992, albeit after the first year production, but after reading various points of view on here, and viewing vids of the new car and the rear aesthetics, I’m seriously considering a 991.2 Turbo S. My instincts tell me this is a good move at this moment.
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07-02-2019, 06:07 PM
#37
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992 is the new 996 (faster than the 993 but hugly like hell)
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erik_plus8 (07-04-2019)
07-02-2019, 06:26 PM
#38
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Countdown to fxz heading to Supra forum 3, 2, 1.
07-02-2019, 07:46 PM
#39
Absolutely but the major mistake made by Porsche is now catering primarily to a younger and extremely fickle Asian buyer while alienating the older, loyal western buyer who made Porsche what is today. I don't know where you live but here in the Northeast there are very few younger millennial buyers with both the ability and desire to purchase cars like these.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
07-02-2019, 07:47 PM
#40
I was originally considering the 992, albeit after the first year production, but after reading various points of view on here, and viewing vids of the new car and the rear aesthetics, I’m seriously considering a 991.2 Turbo S. My instincts tell me this is a good move at this moment.
07-02-2019, 07:49 PM
#41
07-03-2019, 10:13 AM
#42
Racer
07-03-2019, 01:59 PM
#44
Reminder - you can set playback speed to 1.25x or even 1.50x in the settings gear icon at bottom left.
07-03-2019, 05:41 PM
#45
Racer
