Finally an owner's review for the 992 haters!
07-03-2019, 09:02 PM
#46
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The new flat screens are nearly unmanageable on real world roads. My wife flatly declined ordering a new Cayenne Turbo S because of the touch screens and stated that she wanted to keep our 2016 Turbo S. That is saying something when a woman who has upgraded her car every two years for decades declines ordering a new car. Having been in a few new 992's I have to agree with her and have no desire to give up the functional design of my current 911 Turbo Exclusive for a 992 Turbo if it has the same tedious touch screen.
I want a 911, not a couch with an iPad...
I want a 911, not a couch with an iPad...
07-03-2019, 09:13 PM
#47
That said - the 992’s are the same width as the 991.2 wide bodies - and even though the 992’s have rounder hips (which I like) - the non-tapering window makes it look a little more narrow in my opinion.
The exterior however - is not my issue - and with what I am sure will be improved performance, likely in every area - I would be fine to look at the possibility of going to a 992.1 Turbo S from my 991.2 TS. For me - it’s just the interior - I hope Porsche goes full analog gauges - or at least makes them all visible from the steering wheel - or adds some physical material as the edges of each digital gauge (the F90 BMW M5 does this). Change the shifter and that - and I would definitely consider it.
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08-02-2019, 02:47 AM
#48
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Absolutely but the major mistake made by Porsche is now catering primarily to a younger and extremely fickle Asian buyer while alienating the older, loyal western buyer who made Porsche what is today. I don't know where you live but here in the Northeast there are very few younger millennial buyers with both the ability and desire to purchase cars like these.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
The fickle new buyers might prefer the techno wonderland in some newer cars, the old guard buyer might be intrigued by the NA engine in the new mid-engined Corvette, the pure sports car enthusiasts might want the track performance of a McLaren. Finding a middle ground to maximize global sales against all these elements (updates from the competition, stifling emissions regulations, trends to digitization, meeting needs for Asian market) is tough and it seems some of the character of older 911 generations has been lost and will continue to diminish for the higher-volume 911 models. Hydraulic steering is never coming back, NA engines and manual transmission will become increasingly rare (all things that all of us liked, I think), safety and fuel-economy options will become standard and maybe default, comfort will increase...
Speaking personally - I am one of those (not so fickle) new buyers and I truly like much of the direction taken with the 992. Aside from the great performance and handling (that I have only read about so far) I love the interior design with all the screens, haptic buttons and uncluttered feel (except the gear-nub). And I love the exterior styling (except the high level brake light). But then I am just a first-time Porsche buyer, and I realize that something is lost with all these changes, both superficial design and actual functionality, to the new model. I can understand why people who have owned many 911s over the last decade or more are morosely thinking how some essential elements of the car they've loved are fading away, and what might happen next...
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08-03-2019, 11:24 AM
#49
08-04-2019, 01:34 PM
#50
I ordered my C4S last year, just 3 weeks before the new design change!
If I had waited 3 weeks, I would have been stuck with the nub and the fugly little rear brake light that looks like a box.
I had no idea the design was about to change -- I just got lucky when I ordered.
It appears I got in on the last of the 2019 orders, before the 'new' 2019 came out.
If I had waited 3 weeks, I would have been stuck with the nub and the fugly little rear brake light that looks like a box.
I had no idea the design was about to change -- I just got lucky when I ordered.
It appears I got in on the last of the 2019 orders, before the 'new' 2019 came out.
08-04-2019, 07:11 PM
#51
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I ordered my C4S last year, just 3 weeks before the new design change!
If I had waited 3 weeks, I would have been stuck with the nub and the fugly little rear brake light that looks like a box.
I had no idea the design was about to change -- I just got lucky when I ordered.
It appears I got in on the last of the 2019 orders, before the 'new' 2019 came out.
If I had waited 3 weeks, I would have been stuck with the nub and the fugly little rear brake light that looks like a box.
I had no idea the design was about to change -- I just got lucky when I ordered.
It appears I got in on the last of the 2019 orders, before the 'new' 2019 came out.
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08-04-2019, 08:51 PM
#52
The new flat screens are nearly unmanageable on real world roads. My wife flatly declined ordering a new Cayenne Turbo S because of the touch screens and stated that she wanted to keep our 2016 Turbo S. That is saying something when a woman who has upgraded her car every two years for decades declines ordering a new car. Having been in a few new 992's I have to agree with her and have no desire to give up the functional design of my current 911 Turbo Exclusive for a 992 Turbo if it has the same tedious touch screen.
I want a 911, not a couch with an iPad...
I want a 911, not a couch with an iPad...
08-06-2019, 06:02 PM
#53
I recognize your point - and I also agree. But the market is the market - with shifts to a younger/millennial crowd - and maybe simply to those who want a luxury and comfort-first, performance third perspective - this is likely the way forward for Porsche. Reading the 992 brochure Porsche makes this quite clear.
As a performance and heritage enthusiast - I find this sad and disappointing - but as a pragmatist - I recognize I have little control over the consumer masses and their requirements.
Hopefully Porsche keeps the brands legacy and sports car heritage alive with the Turbo and GT cars.
As a performance and heritage enthusiast - I find this sad and disappointing - but as a pragmatist - I recognize I have little control over the consumer masses and their requirements.
Hopefully Porsche keeps the brands legacy and sports car heritage alive with the Turbo and GT cars.
Absolutely but the major mistake made by Porsche is now catering primarily to a younger and extremely fickle Asian buyer while alienating the older, loyal western buyer who made Porsche what is today. I don't know where you live but here in the Northeast there are very few younger millennial buyers with both the ability and desire to purchase cars like these.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
The problem with placing the heritage in the Turbo and GT cars is that it is simply out of reach for almost any buyer regardless of demographics which seriously limits Porsche's ability to attract the next generation of sports car buyers. This is in stark contrast to the stripped down visceral experience (albeit with lower performance) that was available in the base models of Porsche's past.
To make a long argument short: Porsche's quest for widespread global popularity in the 911 has lead to it becoming far more confused than focused and may ultimately lead to it's demise. For some of us who have owned and loved these cars all our lives it's a painful thing to watch.
08-06-2019, 08:26 PM
#54
The issue with some of the legacy cars for me is that the "T" while certainly a step in the right direction, didn't bring enough to the table in order to differentiate itself from a standard base 991.2.
The 911 "GT" models, while amazing, are priced too far into the unobtainable stratosphere for most of us not to mention extreme overkill in 80-100% of driving situations street or track.
Thankfully, we do still have the mid engine cars as the true/pure sports cars in the lineup and with that being said I'm really looking forward to my 718 GT4 which will be the first time I've willingly and happily traded a 911 for a Cayman. Though I will miss so many things about the 911 it's become very clear to me that Porsche wants the 992 to be their ultra luxury GT car and the 718 Cayman to be their true/pure sports car. As someone who used to buy 911's for that true/pure sports car trait I'm now looking for the Cayman to fill that requirement.
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08-07-2019, 09:35 AM
#55
911's were always the best sounding cars out there to me. Just can't get over how sad it is that sound is such a negative for Carreras now in the boost-age. And the 992's with the new particulate filter sound like minivans at startup. Unreal.
