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#166
I love my F80 for what it is and am very aware of what its not. I've had it for a little over 3 years and agree with most of the criticisms EXCEPT for the fact that for $75k what other new car is as much fun? Its very imperfect, has all sorts of traction issues, suspension is rough, sounds like a lawnmower and for some reason it all works together in one sexy endearing wide-hipped package to be a lot of fun once you learn to get the most out of the drivetrain.
Its not a 911 or an AMG GTR or any of these other awesome cars but its not trying to be either... I still see it as the clear winner at its pricepoint.
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#167
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^Sure , my point is i get more fun with E90 M3
some cars, most? have became more competent faster heavier regardless their price
Why manufacters along their fastest GTs and the base models, do not offer a plain raw fun whocaresringlaptime version?
Touring was more than a manual GT3,
was the closest and not yet understood answer to that but a Ruf like light chassis naturally aspirated would be perfect
some cars, most? have became more competent faster heavier regardless their price
Why manufacters along their fastest GTs and the base models, do not offer a plain raw fun whocaresringlaptime version?
Touring was more than a manual GT3,
was the closest and not yet understood answer to that but a Ruf like light chassis naturally aspirated would be perfect
#168
Burning Brakes
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#169
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Predictions for NA or Turbo seem to be based on the ability to pass emissions testing.
So how do Ferrari and Lamborghini get their 6.0+ liter V12s to pass emissions?
Everyone seems to ignore the biggest determining factor in the current automotive industry: China and their tax on engine displacement.
Ever wonder why the Carrera's turbo engine is 3 liters?
Here is a breakdown of the tax rate.
source: https://ibimapublishing.com/articles...677/790677.pdf
So how do Ferrari and Lamborghini get their 6.0+ liter V12s to pass emissions?
Everyone seems to ignore the biggest determining factor in the current automotive industry: China and their tax on engine displacement.
Ever wonder why the Carrera's turbo engine is 3 liters?
Here is a breakdown of the tax rate.
source: https://ibimapublishing.com/articles...677/790677.pdf
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They dictated the mini turbo mini nubbin not so mini panda 992 design
damn communists
damn communists
#171
Predictions for NA or Turbo seem to be based on the ability to pass emissions testing.
So how do Ferrari and Lamborghini get their 6.0+ liter V12s to pass emissions?
Everyone seems to ignore the biggest determining factor in the current automotive industry: China and their tax on engine displacement.
Ever wonder why the Carrera's turbo engine is 3 liters?
Here is a breakdown of the tax rate.
source: https://ibimapublishing.com/articles...677/790677.pdf
So how do Ferrari and Lamborghini get their 6.0+ liter V12s to pass emissions?
Everyone seems to ignore the biggest determining factor in the current automotive industry: China and their tax on engine displacement.
Ever wonder why the Carrera's turbo engine is 3 liters?
Here is a breakdown of the tax rate.
source: https://ibimapublishing.com/articles...677/790677.pdf
#172
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Finally picked up an E92 M3 this past summer and it's very fun car. The NA engine is great and the hydraulic steering is worth its weight in gold. The chassis is very heavy however but I have more fun driving that car on the street than the 991.1 GTS.
My DD is a 2011 328xi with the NA I6 and I look forward to driving it each and every day.
The F generation is an abomination across the entire model line up. The farty turbo motors and electric steering are terrible. The suspension differences are night and day in favor of the E generation.
Here is an interesting article describing a kinematics and compliance test https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-so-different/.
As for the 992 GT3, I wish it stays NA, with a hydraulic steering rack and vastly improved interior and exterior aesthetics.
My DD is a 2011 328xi with the NA I6 and I look forward to driving it each and every day.
The F generation is an abomination across the entire model line up. The farty turbo motors and electric steering are terrible. The suspension differences are night and day in favor of the E generation.
Here is an interesting article describing a kinematics and compliance test https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...-so-different/.
As for the 992 GT3, I wish it stays NA, with a hydraulic steering rack and vastly improved interior and exterior aesthetics.
Re "vastly improved interior and exterior asthetics": What's wrong with the current GT3/RS aesthetics?!
#173
Big end bearings are the problem. Not the rods themselves. Those can take 700 wheel.
#174
^ agreed.
I have an E86 Z4MC... last of the great inline sixes & a great drivers car.
And an E92 M3 with that awesome power train. great car once I removed close to 400 lbs out of it.
But since then BMW has seriously lost the plot.
Even the M2 Competion that everyone is so hot to trot about is seriously lacking IMO
Numb steering, too heavy (+3600lbs) and sounds like crap.
The "M" brand has been completely neutered by BMW marketing.
I'm done with BMW moving forward.
I have an E86 Z4MC... last of the great inline sixes & a great drivers car.
And an E92 M3 with that awesome power train. great car once I removed close to 400 lbs out of it.
But since then BMW has seriously lost the plot.
Even the M2 Competion that everyone is so hot to trot about is seriously lacking IMO
Numb steering, too heavy (+3600lbs) and sounds like crap.
The "M" brand has been completely neutered by BMW marketing.
I'm done with BMW moving forward.
#175
Originally Posted by Porsche911dream
I believe the connecting rods are a known failure on the E92 engine. You might want to get that looked at before it costs you more money down the road.
Re "vastly improved interior and exterior asthetics": What's wrong with the current GT3/RS aesthetics?!
Re "vastly improved interior and exterior asthetics": What's wrong with the current GT3/RS aesthetics?!
I love the current .2GT3 but if the 992 interior will carry into the 992GT3 interior which is but a certainty, I won't be sold.
#176
Anyone else watching the microwave ignition tech developed by MWI AG and supposedly being fielded by the Fach Auto Tech Supercup team in '19? Interesting plug-and-play type technology that replaces a standard spark plug, reduces fuel consumption by up to 30%, and reduces N20 emissions by up to 80%.
Also of note is shareholder and former Porsche AG CEO Wendelin Wiedeking....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...bustion-engine
https://mwi-ag.com/new-partnership-m...-tech/?lang=en
I'd think this could breathe new life into the production car ICE space especially for the Porsche GT cars if it proves reliable and legitimate. Consider an increase in output of 10-20% while becoming more fuel efficient and cleaner? That would certainly get the 992 GT3 and 3RS where they'd like to be with them performance-wise without additional weight or complexity. Probably too little too late at this point in the hybrid and/or turbo avoidance game but we can hope, right?
Also of note is shareholder and former Porsche AG CEO Wendelin Wiedeking....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...bustion-engine
https://mwi-ag.com/new-partnership-m...-tech/?lang=en
I'd think this could breathe new life into the production car ICE space especially for the Porsche GT cars if it proves reliable and legitimate. Consider an increase in output of 10-20% while becoming more fuel efficient and cleaner? That would certainly get the 992 GT3 and 3RS where they'd like to be with them performance-wise without additional weight or complexity. Probably too little too late at this point in the hybrid and/or turbo avoidance game but we can hope, right?
#177
No, unfortunately, the tech seems to have lost momentum. Highly doubt Fach is running it in the spec series. If they are somehow, they aren't blowing the field away...
Haven't seen any news on it since early 2019.
Haven't seen any news on it since early 2019.
#178
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You do realize the BMW isn't even in the same league as those cars right? Not sure what your point is.
I love my F80 for what it is and am very aware of what its not. I've had it for a little over 3 years and agree with most of the criticisms EXCEPT for the fact that for $75k what other new car is as much fun? Its very imperfect, has all sorts of traction issues, suspension is rough, sounds like a lawnmower and for some reason it all works together in one sexy endearing wide-hipped package to be a lot of fun once you learn to get the most out of the drivetrain.
Its not a 911 or an AMG GTR or any of these other awesome cars but its not trying to be either... I still see it as the clear winner at its pricepoint.
I love my F80 for what it is and am very aware of what its not. I've had it for a little over 3 years and agree with most of the criticisms EXCEPT for the fact that for $75k what other new car is as much fun? Its very imperfect, has all sorts of traction issues, suspension is rough, sounds like a lawnmower and for some reason it all works together in one sexy endearing wide-hipped package to be a lot of fun once you learn to get the most out of the drivetrain.
Its not a 911 or an AMG GTR or any of these other awesome cars but its not trying to be either... I still see it as the clear winner at its pricepoint.
I do think for less money, the Alfa Giuli Quad is a more fun car to drive and equally, if not better, to look at.
I sincerely hope Porsche decides to enter this little niche market with a smaller sedan and show them all what a benchmark truly is.
#180
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I’m surprised this thread hasn’t migrated to the GT forum 🤷🏼♂️
See post 242 here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...-specs-17.html
See post 242 here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/992-gt3-...-specs-17.html