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11-29-2018, 12:13 AM
#77
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Not a fan of the interior tho..wow the shifter or whatever that is looks like someone broke it off and forgot to replace it. Lots of panels/screens that I am not sure fit the nature of the car ( a 911). They are okay in say a Panamera or a Cayenne or Macan but in a 911 they look off. Switch gear looks a bit out of place...like they tried to go retro like a Pagani but also lean to the future also. It reminds me of almost the Delorean from Back to the Future inside. front end looks a bit lost and open grille wise...sort of disconnected to me and the rear a bit busy. Haven't seen the spoiler open yet so don't know how that looks. Don't mind the wrap around lights a'la Carrera 4 style but what is up with the 3rd break lights? I'd almost want to get some dark film and black them out for good! Yuk!
Lots of hit or misses in this one IMHO right now. Need to see on in person but for now I am glad I have my 991.1 whose interior is goldie lock "just right" for me...maybe a 991.2 as an upgrade one day but can't go there yet for this one.
Lots of hit or misses in this one IMHO right now. Need to see on in person but for now I am glad I have my 991.1 whose interior is goldie lock "just right" for me...maybe a 991.2 as an upgrade one day but can't go there yet for this one.
11-29-2018, 01:22 AM
#78
We have no real idea of how the 991.2 compares to the 992 and won't until people start driving them. However, on paper there are some disturbing points. I compared the 991.2 C4 GTS to the 992 C4S. This seems like a fair comparison as they are priced almost the same when similarly equipped.
All data below is taken from porscheuse.com.
Weight: 991 = 3,340 lbs (w/ PDK) - 992= 3,487 [992 is 147 lbs heavier]
HP 991 = 450 - 992 = 443 [992 has 7 less HP]
Tq 991 = 405 - 992 = 390 [992 has 15 lbs-ft of Tq]
Max Tq 991 = 2,150 to 5,000 RPM - 992 = 2,300 to 5,000 RPM [992 develops its peak Tq 150 RPMs later]
Lbs per HP 991 = 7.4 - 992 = 7.9 [992 has 0.5 lbs extra weight per HP]
Front wheels 991 = 9x20 - 992 = 8.5 x 20 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower]
Rear wheels 991 = 12x20 - 992 = 11.5x21 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower, but 1" larger]
Oddly, Porsche claims the 992 does 0-60 in 3.2 (with the sport chrono), but claims the 991.2 GTS does it in 3.4. This seems to defy physics as the 991 has 15 lbs-ft more Tq that kicks in 150 RPMs earlier, an additional 7 HP and 147 lbs less weight. As they are both AWD, neither should be traction limited. Thus, I think this comes down to Porsche being less conservative with its specs for the 992 than it was with the 991. In terms of handling, the wider wheels on the 991 are certainly an advantage, however this is offset to some extent by the wider track and larger wheels on the 992. Only instrumented testing will reveal whether the 992 actual does handle and/or brake better.
Regardless, I don't see the 992 as a step up. Perhaps when Porsche gets around to releasing a 992 GTS in a few years, we will see marked improvements over the 991.2 GTS, but by then I suspect it will be priced similarly to a 991.2 Turbo (if not a Turbo S). Thus, while the 992 C4S likely improves upon the 991.2 C4S in overall performance, based on price, it is not competing with a 991.2 C4S. Rather it is competing with a 991.2 C4 GTS and there I don't see a performance improvement. Instead, based on the added weight, I see a potential decrease in performance.
But perhaps I am just biased as I own and love my 991.2 C4 GTS.
All data below is taken from porscheuse.com.
Weight: 991 = 3,340 lbs (w/ PDK) - 992= 3,487 [992 is 147 lbs heavier]
HP 991 = 450 - 992 = 443 [992 has 7 less HP]
Tq 991 = 405 - 992 = 390 [992 has 15 lbs-ft of Tq]
Max Tq 991 = 2,150 to 5,000 RPM - 992 = 2,300 to 5,000 RPM [992 develops its peak Tq 150 RPMs later]
Lbs per HP 991 = 7.4 - 992 = 7.9 [992 has 0.5 lbs extra weight per HP]
Front wheels 991 = 9x20 - 992 = 8.5 x 20 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower]
Rear wheels 991 = 12x20 - 992 = 11.5x21 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower, but 1" larger]
Oddly, Porsche claims the 992 does 0-60 in 3.2 (with the sport chrono), but claims the 991.2 GTS does it in 3.4. This seems to defy physics as the 991 has 15 lbs-ft more Tq that kicks in 150 RPMs earlier, an additional 7 HP and 147 lbs less weight. As they are both AWD, neither should be traction limited. Thus, I think this comes down to Porsche being less conservative with its specs for the 992 than it was with the 991. In terms of handling, the wider wheels on the 991 are certainly an advantage, however this is offset to some extent by the wider track and larger wheels on the 992. Only instrumented testing will reveal whether the 992 actual does handle and/or brake better.
Regardless, I don't see the 992 as a step up. Perhaps when Porsche gets around to releasing a 992 GTS in a few years, we will see marked improvements over the 991.2 GTS, but by then I suspect it will be priced similarly to a 991.2 Turbo (if not a Turbo S). Thus, while the 992 C4S likely improves upon the 991.2 C4S in overall performance, based on price, it is not competing with a 991.2 C4S. Rather it is competing with a 991.2 C4 GTS and there I don't see a performance improvement. Instead, based on the added weight, I see a potential decrease in performance.
But perhaps I am just biased as I own and love my 991.2 C4 GTS.
11-29-2018, 01:51 AM
#79
Rennlist Member
There’s something off with 992..whether it front to rear width ratio or rear end or the stubby shifter..
Seems to me they’d do course correction, may be, in .2 version...
Seems to me they’d do course correction, may be, in .2 version...
11-29-2018, 03:33 AM
#81
Double that 55kg weight gain when comparing to a 991.1 too. Crazy. The 992 is about 150 lbs heavier than a 991.2 therefore about 250 lbs heavier than a 991.1. My 991.1 becomes more valuable to me with every new release. Instant classic in the truest sense of the word.
My observations...
1. There's a wet mode. Now it's okay to drive in the rain and not get a salvage title:P
2. I saw on one of the Porsche videos(PorscheTV) that the wheelbase was unchanged, and another that said it has.
3. It's the biggest increase in size from one 911 to another ever. (997 to 991 was only 1.5 inches and less weight)
4. The 8 speed isn't new and the the additional gear is between 6 & 7 on the previous. This transmission comes from the penny and is stubbier to make room for a hybrid. At first I was annoyed by this but really long gearing is better for boost. Also, no mention of a manual...
5. Love the indent in the hood like the old days.
6. Engine is essentially the same with fine tuned injection and tuning for 450hp. Is a great engine.
7. No wide body/narrow body. One size.
8. When I see the interior I want to compare it to my BMW 650, an Audi A8 or Merc and not my 991.
9. The 991.1 is officially the new 997! ha.
1. There's a wet mode. Now it's okay to drive in the rain and not get a salvage title:P
2. I saw on one of the Porsche videos(PorscheTV) that the wheelbase was unchanged, and another that said it has.
3. It's the biggest increase in size from one 911 to another ever. (997 to 991 was only 1.5 inches and less weight)
4. The 8 speed isn't new and the the additional gear is between 6 & 7 on the previous. This transmission comes from the penny and is stubbier to make room for a hybrid. At first I was annoyed by this but really long gearing is better for boost. Also, no mention of a manual...
5. Love the indent in the hood like the old days.
6. Engine is essentially the same with fine tuned injection and tuning for 450hp. Is a great engine.
7. No wide body/narrow body. One size.
8. When I see the interior I want to compare it to my BMW 650, an Audi A8 or Merc and not my 991.
9. The 991.1 is officially the new 997! ha.
The truth is, per official Porsche figures; the 992 is the exact same wheelbase. The extra length is all in the overhangs (not ideal for proportional look). It's also very slightly taller (.2") even though some vids said "lower." The compactness of its design over the 991 is all in clever optical illusion: The beefed out track and fenders, the slightly smaller greenhouse, the staggered wheel sizes, etc.
11-29-2018, 09:14 AM
#84
Race Car
We have no real idea of how the 991.2 compares to the 992 and won't until people start driving them. However, on paper there are some disturbing points. I compared the 991.2 C4 GTS to the 992 C4S. This seems like a fair comparison as they are priced almost the same when similarly equipped.
All data below is taken from porscheuse.com.
Weight: 991 = 3,340 lbs (w/ PDK) - 992= 3,487 [992 is 147 lbs heavier]
HP 991 = 450 - 992 = 443 [992 has 7 less HP]
Tq 991 = 405 - 992 = 390 [992 has 15 lbs-ft of Tq]
Max Tq 991 = 2,150 to 5,000 RPM - 992 = 2,300 to 5,000 RPM [992 develops its peak Tq 150 RPMs later]
Lbs per HP 991 = 7.4 - 992 = 7.9 [992 has 0.5 lbs extra weight per HP]
Front wheels 991 = 9x20 - 992 = 8.5 x 20 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower]
Rear wheels 991 = 12x20 - 992 = 11.5x21 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower, but 1" larger]
Oddly, Porsche claims the 992 does 0-60 in 3.2 (with the sport chrono), but claims the 991.2 GTS does it in 3.4. This seems to defy physics as the 991 has 15 lbs-ft more Tq that kicks in 150 RPMs earlier, an additional 7 HP and 147 lbs less weight. As they are both AWD, neither should be traction limited. Thus, I think this comes down to Porsche being less conservative with its specs for the 992 than it was with the 991. In terms of handling, the wider wheels on the 991 are certainly an advantage, however this is offset to some extent by the wider track and larger wheels on the 992. Only instrumented testing will reveal whether the 992 actual does handle and/or brake better.
Regardless, I don't see the 992 as a step up. Perhaps when Porsche gets around to releasing a 992 GTS in a few years, we will see marked improvements over the 991.2 GTS, but by then I suspect it will be priced similarly to a 991.2 Turbo (if not a Turbo S). Thus, while the 992 C4S likely improves upon the 991.2 C4S in overall performance, based on price, it is not competing with a 991.2 C4S. Rather it is competing with a 991.2 C4 GTS and there I don't see a performance improvement. Instead, based on the added weight, I see a potential decrease in performance.
But perhaps I am just biased as I own and love my 991.2 C4 GTS.
All data below is taken from porscheuse.com.
Weight: 991 = 3,340 lbs (w/ PDK) - 992= 3,487 [992 is 147 lbs heavier]
HP 991 = 450 - 992 = 443 [992 has 7 less HP]
Tq 991 = 405 - 992 = 390 [992 has 15 lbs-ft of Tq]
Max Tq 991 = 2,150 to 5,000 RPM - 992 = 2,300 to 5,000 RPM [992 develops its peak Tq 150 RPMs later]
Lbs per HP 991 = 7.4 - 992 = 7.9 [992 has 0.5 lbs extra weight per HP]
Front wheels 991 = 9x20 - 992 = 8.5 x 20 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower]
Rear wheels 991 = 12x20 - 992 = 11.5x21 [992 wheels 0.5" narrower, but 1" larger]
Oddly, Porsche claims the 992 does 0-60 in 3.2 (with the sport chrono), but claims the 991.2 GTS does it in 3.4. This seems to defy physics as the 991 has 15 lbs-ft more Tq that kicks in 150 RPMs earlier, an additional 7 HP and 147 lbs less weight. As they are both AWD, neither should be traction limited. Thus, I think this comes down to Porsche being less conservative with its specs for the 992 than it was with the 991. In terms of handling, the wider wheels on the 991 are certainly an advantage, however this is offset to some extent by the wider track and larger wheels on the 992. Only instrumented testing will reveal whether the 992 actual does handle and/or brake better.
Regardless, I don't see the 992 as a step up. Perhaps when Porsche gets around to releasing a 992 GTS in a few years, we will see marked improvements over the 991.2 GTS, but by then I suspect it will be priced similarly to a 991.2 Turbo (if not a Turbo S). Thus, while the 992 C4S likely improves upon the 991.2 C4S in overall performance, based on price, it is not competing with a 991.2 C4S. Rather it is competing with a 991.2 C4 GTS and there I don't see a performance improvement. Instead, based on the added weight, I see a potential decrease in performance.
But perhaps I am just biased as I own and love my 991.2 C4 GTS.
The 991.2S weight w/PDK is 3,219. The 992S weight w/PDK is 3,340, 121 lbs heavier.
Even the 991.2GTS w/PDK only weighs 3,241 lbs! The 992S is still nearly a hundred lbs heavier than the outgoing 991.1GTS.
And for your lightweight nuts - the 991.2T w/PDK (for a fair comparison, since only PDK numbers are available for the 992) weighs only 3,186 lbs.
11-29-2018, 09:28 AM
#86
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There are fun times ahead for 991 owners here on Rennlist.
We are now entering the "previous generation phase" of Porsche ownership, taking over for our friends on the 997 boards. This entitles us to boldly declare that the 991 is the last true Porsche sports car. It's raw and visceral. It's the perfect combination of technology and old-school, analog components. It will surely skyrocket in value with the launch of the 992. It's the perfect 911.
The 992, on the other hand, is nothing more than a soft, bloated, over-weight GT car. It's a 2 door Panamera. It's huge, extremely heavy, and clearly designed for people who are not Porsche enthusiasts.
We are now entering the "previous generation phase" of Porsche ownership, taking over for our friends on the 997 boards. This entitles us to boldly declare that the 991 is the last true Porsche sports car. It's raw and visceral. It's the perfect combination of technology and old-school, analog components. It will surely skyrocket in value with the launch of the 992. It's the perfect 911.
The 992, on the other hand, is nothing more than a soft, bloated, over-weight GT car. It's a 2 door Panamera. It's huge, extremely heavy, and clearly designed for people who are not Porsche enthusiasts.
11-29-2018, 09:35 AM
#88
Race Car
I posted a link in another thread to one of the first threads about the 991 when it came out - you could have changed the dates and name to 992 and you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference in the comments, quite hilarious!
11-29-2018, 09:43 AM
#89
I think you must fax to that forum because email/internet is too heavy and relies on too many screens. Also Fax > AOL dial up > nothing/hybrid sounding so we all know that fax machines had the best tone and sounded the best. High speed internet is too quiet and loses the feeling of anticipation that you get when you are hoping for a confirmation. The new internet may be faster but loses the analog feeling and emotional rollercoaster of even when you were checking your AOL and someone accidentally picked up the phone.
11-29-2018, 09:48 AM
#90
Race Car
Seems to be a pattern here... 
There are many, but here is a fun one with comments on the new 991:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/6511...etty-good.html
(^Well, he wasn't wrong on this one LOL)
There are many, but here is a fun one with comments on the new 991:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991/6511...etty-good.html
Bigger, fatter, uglier. Just like the consumers who will purchase it. A great GT car for the rich masses.
Electric parking brake - what a stupid idea - especially on a manual transmission car.
The interior kills it for me ....
Yeah, my brain thought "Cadillac" or Lexus or something.
Wow, I am surprised how it is even more ugly now. Even though the 997 is a water car at least it was attractive. The new back is horrible.
Did Chris Bangle design that rearend? Doesn't work for me.
Rear badging is overkill imho...
Probably the least appealing angle is from the rear...it has a slightly Panamer-ish look (a bit too much "junk in the trunk").
1. Can they just line up the DRL with the bumper openings? They look really odd from some camera angles.
2. Lose the 911 logo (and maybe even the Porsche letters) in the back. It looks too busy. And who's going to confuse it with a Cayman?
3. Too many creases and lines in the rear.
2. Lose the 911 logo (and maybe even the Porsche letters) in the back. It looks too busy. And who's going to confuse it with a Cayman?
3. Too many creases and lines in the rear.
The interior is...well...it's like all new interiors...too high tech, swoopy and electronically oriented.
No likey the interior
is it actually larger? I haven't kept up with the news on this.
It certainly looks bigger
Agreed on the interior, the high center console thing, yuck.
Panamera, Cayenne... it fits in those. But not the 911.
It certainly looks bigger
Agreed on the interior, the high center console thing, yuck.
Panamera, Cayenne... it fits in those. But not the 911.
I think the 997 is much nicer looking and the last of the classic looking Porsches. In fact I think the 997 looks as good as the 993. The 991 looks stretched and low to me especially between the wheels which now makes room for real rear seats and a Panamera style interior. It's now a 2+2 luxury performer in my eyes. Not 911 like IMHO.
I am glad I pulled the trigger on a Carrera GTS as opposed to waiting for a 991. I think I made the right decision and now convinced the GTS is a keeper.
I am glad I pulled the trigger on a Carrera GTS as opposed to waiting for a 991. I think I made the right decision and now convinced the GTS is a keeper.
Interior, HORRIFIC! GT/Sedan/Luxry, NO SENSE of sportiness! It's ridicolous, they're now owned by VW/Audi and Audi does the BEST interiors around and they can't get this right! VERY DISAPPOINTING!