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my understanding , more electric motors , with same 3.6 L ice engine = more power
This, I believe, is a very interesting remark.
The 911 turbo is a volume model for Porsche and consequently they will have to comply with the same Lambda 1 constrain as the GTS.
We already know it will be hybrid, so the big question to me is the following, which way will Porsche go for the necessary increase in power over the GTS?
- most of the power increase coming from the ICE with still a traditional AWD with mechanical transmission to the front axle
Or
- most of the power increase coming from additional electric motors in the front without the traditional mechanical transmission to front axle and a sizable battery (about 10 kWh would suffice) in what used to be the transmission tunnel
I have no additional info, but for sure the potential power increase with additional electric motors is there (150-200 hp are easy) and would enable the same GTS 3.6 ICE to reach around 700 combined HP without increased emissions.
Weight maybe up another 50-100 lbs from current turbo 992.1.
Following is a little background info about why Lambda=1 across the rev range is coming.
The progression of emission legislation in Europe and China increased the engagement of the automotive industry in the development of improved exhaust gas aftertreatment and combustion systems. The fulfillment of particle number (PN) and nitrogen oxides (NOx) targets in real world driving scenarios have led to the introduction of gasoline particulate filters (GPF) and enlarged catalytic converters. Now on top of these major upgrades, the monitoring of carbon monoxide (CO) emissions according to RDE legislation (Real Driving Emissions) as well as recent regulations on auxiliary emission strategies put high load fuel enrichment for component protection into focus and a ban of enrichment is widely expected. Hence, gasoline engine technologies which enable Lambda = 1 operation in the entire engine map are specifically promoted.
This, I believe, is the latest spy shot of what looks like a Turbo S variant testing on roads in USA.
Usually this phase of tests comes relatively close to the official introduction.
This, I believe, is the latest spy shot of what looks like a Turbo S variant testing on roads in USA.
Usually this phase of tests comes relatively close to the official introduction.
^ Moving stuff around to accommodate the new electric turbos!
Almost too wide.
Additionally, while the 992.2 might be faster than the 992.1 I have a feeling it will be a nightmare to tune. A 992.1 with a tune might be able to not only keep up, but also walk all over it.
Additionally, while the 992.2 might be faster than the 992.1 I have a feeling it will be a nightmare to tune. A 992.1 with a tune might be able to not only keep up, but also walk all over it.
I guess the “problem” with the tunes is that it is not only the engine and the softwre i.e take the new GTS and the upcoming Turbo S which are both extremely fast:
Yes you can upgrade the .1 cars to be faster but remember the newer cars come complete as a package with suspension, brakes and everything else needed to behave as a unified engineering piece that is designed for that power output. It is not easy in my opinion to modify all parts needed on a car and provide the complete experience Porsche provides out of the box.
Of course some people can do it and have the tech knowledge and the money to do so and can deal with the non warranty. But it is not as simple a doing a tune and the slower car becomes a complete better car than the previous ones.
if the exhaust is that far apart it will look awful. Same way 992.2 GTS looks odd so close together at least compared to 992.1 GTS. we have not even mentioned the vertical slats
Additionally, while the 992.2 might be faster than the 992.1 I have a feeling it will be a nightmare to tune. A 992.1 with a tune might be able to not only keep up, but also walk all over it.
if the exhaust is that far apart it will look awful. Same way 992.2 GTS looks odd so close together at least compared to 992.1 GTS. we have not even mentioned the vertical slats
gee….i thought the exhausts looked better…..all subjective…..front end will have to grow on us
My impression is that they have eliminated the side exhaust for the hot air coming from the intercoolers (only the cental one remains) and this creates more room for the e-turbos. Also the lack of a wastgate creates additional room for the exhaust mufflers (I assume there will be one for each e-turbo, contrary to the GTS set-up).
I guess the “problem” with the tunes is that it is not only the engine and the softwre i.e take the new GTS and the upcoming Turbo S which are both extremely fast:
Yes you can upgrade the .1 cars to be faster but remember the newer cars come complete as a package with suspension, brakes and everything else needed to behave as a unified engineering piece that is designed for that power output. It is not easy in my opinion to modify all parts needed on a car and provide the complete experience Porsche provides out of the box.
Of course some people can do it and have the tech knowledge and the money to do so and can deal with the non warranty. But it is not as simple a doing a tune and the slower car becomes a complete better car than the previous ones.
LOL
You obviously never drove a TTS with a tune or more done to it. These cars will handle the power all day long. The brakes are amazing. The suspension, the traction control, all of it functions amazingly with more power.
It will be interesting what tuners can do with these new cars, with all the hybrid tech. I am sure they will find a way, but it might be tough and might not yield the gains we are used to.
look at the older Turbos, they are way way faster (highly modified) than any 992.1. (So far)
The electric turbos, it will be interesting to see what can be done with them. If they can be pushed further, modified etc.
if they do lamda 1, which is looks like, that opens the door for a bunch of power gains as they are running the engine so lean.
06-01-2024, 07:51 AM
