GT3 992.2 Prices crashing? MSRP Coming?
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Exactly right. You don't look at data by looking at single points or selectively showing what you want. Analyzing data is a science. Anyone can throw a few numbers on a graph and try to look smart. Until I see the dealers pulling back on ADM, I'm not sure much has changed. They also have access to more data than we do here (at least most of us).
If some of these Rennlist Analysts were smart, they'd find out exactly how many GT3s are still inbound to the US, which will affect total numbers. Then track those numbers to see if production goes down (or up). That would be much more interesting to me.
If some of these Rennlist Analysts were smart, they'd find out exactly how many GT3s are still inbound to the US, which will affect total numbers. Then track those numbers to see if production goes down (or up). That would be much more interesting to me.
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This sounds authoritative, but it’s mostly narrative without actual market data behind it.
A few dealer anecdotes about cars sitting isn’t proof the “entire 911 market is collapsing.” Show auction comps. Show wholesale trends. Show consistent transactions below MSRP. Without that, it’s just speculation.
More importantly — you’re misreading what’s happening.
Buyers aren’t abandoning the 911. They’re rejecting electrification.
When a hybrid GTS struggles while naturally aspirated GT cars continue to command premiums, that isn’t a weak market — it’s a preference shift. Porsche buyers, especially GT buyers, have been very clear: they want analog, high-revving, emotional cars. Not heavier, more complex hybrids.
The GTS buyer and the GT3 buyer were never interchangeable anyway. One is a fast daily. The other is an enthusiast asset. Treating the lineup like a simple pricing ladder ignores how these cars actually trade.
And here’s the key point:
Weak demand for hybrid models actually strengthens the case for GT cars.
If more of the lineup goes electrified — which is almost inevitable — the supply of purely naturally aspirated cars becomes permanently capped. That is real scarcity. Mechanical scarcity. The kind collectors pay for.
We’ve seen this movie before:
The production argument also lacks context. Yes, Porsche builds more GT3s than it did 15 years ago — but the global buyer pool has exploded even faster. Production numbers alone mean nothing without absorption data, and none was provided.
If the market were truly flooded, you’d see widespread sub-MSRP trades. You don’t.
ADMs compressing from the insanity of the COVID bubble isn’t a crash — it’s normalization.
The corporate panic angle is also off base. Porsche has used special editions as a profit engine for decades. That’s not desperation — that’s literally their business model.
And Euro 7 doesn’t need to outright ban NA engines to matter. Compliance gets more expensive, engineering gets harder, and eventually the window closes. Markets price that risk early, which again supports cars like the GT3.
Stepping back, the biggest issue with the argument is methodological — it stitches together headlines, production numbers, and forum chatter, then calls it “data.”
Until we see sustained GT3 transactions below sticker across multiple channels, the collapse thesis is just a story.
Meanwhile one structural force is undeniable:
As Porsche moves toward hybridization and electrification, analog GT cars become the emotional hedge against that future.
And historically, the emotional cars are the ones that hold value.
A few dealer anecdotes about cars sitting isn’t proof the “entire 911 market is collapsing.” Show auction comps. Show wholesale trends. Show consistent transactions below MSRP. Without that, it’s just speculation.
More importantly — you’re misreading what’s happening.
Buyers aren’t abandoning the 911. They’re rejecting electrification.
When a hybrid GTS struggles while naturally aspirated GT cars continue to command premiums, that isn’t a weak market — it’s a preference shift. Porsche buyers, especially GT buyers, have been very clear: they want analog, high-revving, emotional cars. Not heavier, more complex hybrids.
The GTS buyer and the GT3 buyer were never interchangeable anyway. One is a fast daily. The other is an enthusiast asset. Treating the lineup like a simple pricing ladder ignores how these cars actually trade.
And here’s the key point:
Weak demand for hybrid models actually strengthens the case for GT cars.
If more of the lineup goes electrified — which is almost inevitable — the supply of purely naturally aspirated cars becomes permanently capped. That is real scarcity. Mechanical scarcity. The kind collectors pay for.
We’ve seen this movie before:
- Air-cooled 911s surged once water cooling arrived
- Manual Ferraris strengthened once dual-clutch took over
- High-revving NA engines gained value in the turbo era
The production argument also lacks context. Yes, Porsche builds more GT3s than it did 15 years ago — but the global buyer pool has exploded even faster. Production numbers alone mean nothing without absorption data, and none was provided.
If the market were truly flooded, you’d see widespread sub-MSRP trades. You don’t.
ADMs compressing from the insanity of the COVID bubble isn’t a crash — it’s normalization.
The corporate panic angle is also off base. Porsche has used special editions as a profit engine for decades. That’s not desperation — that’s literally their business model.
And Euro 7 doesn’t need to outright ban NA engines to matter. Compliance gets more expensive, engineering gets harder, and eventually the window closes. Markets price that risk early, which again supports cars like the GT3.
Stepping back, the biggest issue with the argument is methodological — it stitches together headlines, production numbers, and forum chatter, then calls it “data.”
Until we see sustained GT3 transactions below sticker across multiple channels, the collapse thesis is just a story.
Meanwhile one structural force is undeniable:
As Porsche moves toward hybridization and electrification, analog GT cars become the emotional hedge against that future.
And historically, the emotional cars are the ones that hold value.
But here's where the data disagrees with the rest of your thesis. You asked for auction comps — GT Driven's January market report just dropped yesterday and it paints a clear picture. https://gdriven.substack.com/p/gt-dr...ket-report-911 The 992.2 GT3 had 50% sell-through with the median sale coming in at $318,575, solidly below the $374,000 moving average. One seller turned down $360K two months ago and ended up taking $331K — lost $29K by waiting. The 992.1 GT3 also posted 50% sell-through with the median landing $29K below the 90-day moving average and $53K below the August 2022 high. Even delivery-mile cars couldn't command the premiums they used to. The 992.1 GT3 RS, once you strip out two Barrett-Jackson outliers that sold in under 30 seconds with thin bidding, also came in $29K below its moving average at 50% sell-through. GT Driven's own conclusion: "The fundamentals — sell-through, premiums, pricing vs. moving averages — all point in the same direction: softening."
That's not forum chatter. That's transaction-level data across BaT, PCAR, Cars & Bids, duPont Registry, Bonhams, and Sotheby's — every major channel — all pointing the same direction in the same month.
Your air-cooled analogy is the one that keeps getting recycled and it doesn't hold. Those cars were produced in the hundreds. The 992.1 GT3 had 15,667 units globally — the most mass-produced GT3 ever. The 992.2 is running at a 50-70% faster monthly production rate. You can't compare scarcity dynamics of a few hundred survivors to a car Porsche is stamping out at 250 a month for North America alone.
You say production numbers mean nothing without absorption data. I track absorption weekly — 305 GT3 variants sitting in dealer inventory as of February 5. 992.1 CPO up 28% in two weeks. Touring new inventory surged 32% in a single data pull. If absorption were keeping pace, those numbers would be flat. They're accelerating upward.
The mechanical scarcity thesis may play out over 10-15 years — and GT Driven's report actually supports that, with 997-era RS cars and the 911R continuing to appreciate. But that's a completely different market than someone paying $50-65K ADM today on a mass-produced 992.2 and hoping the long-term collector thesis bails them out. As GT Driven put it: "The speculative froth of 2021-2023 is gone. Cars that were once treated as financial instruments are back to being cars."
I do agree with you that GTS, SF90, and other hybrids will push up values on NA cars. I wrote about it in the 718 forum. But the GT3 is coming back to reality, and Porsche is pushing production to ridiculous levels; the significant MSRP increase has eaten up ADM.
You guys thinking the GT3 was/is an investment are going to be left holding the bag.
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Calling cars “ enthusiast assets “ is everything wrong with scene these days. Just because you have a few bucks doesn’t mean you are any more of an enthusiast than the young kid saving up to buy a Miata or some old m3.
And thinking of cars in terms of their value like an asset is just sad. Drive them, they’re not meant to be your 401k
And thinking of cars in terms of their value like an asset is just sad. Drive them, they’re not meant to be your 401k
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Love your ChatGPT output. Softening (in a winter period!) does not mean crashing or MSRP is coming.
Let’s put a bet. When is MSRP coming in your mind? If not MSRP, what is the lowest ADM you predict and when?
Love your ChatGPT output. Softening (in a winter period!) does not mean crashing or MSRP is coming.
Let’s put a bet. When is MSRP coming in your mind? If not MSRP, what is the lowest ADM you predict and when?
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These days? It has always been that way. A lot of people who own a GT3 or any other somewhat rare or expensive Porsche own many such cars. Hence, those cars are not driven daily if for no other reason than when you have a ton of cars, no one car accumulates a lot of miles.
This is largely why you still see many early cars, and certainly unusual 3.2, 964, 993, and 997 variants with very low miles. It is not just because someone is buying them to store them. Many are buying them because they are enthusiasts who have maybe 5, 10, or 20 cars and simply have too many cars to drive.
For those owners who have tons of cars, that collection becomes more than a hobby, it becomes a significant asset.
Seperately, I agree that manual N/A cars should hold their value more at least in the near term. Longer term, my concern is that kids today are not into cars as much, and may never even learn to drive a manual, so like what you might be seeing with really old classic Smerican cars, a generational shift could change the situation.
This is largely why you still see many early cars, and certainly unusual 3.2, 964, 993, and 997 variants with very low miles. It is not just because someone is buying them to store them. Many are buying them because they are enthusiasts who have maybe 5, 10, or 20 cars and simply have too many cars to drive.
For those owners who have tons of cars, that collection becomes more than a hobby, it becomes a significant asset.
Seperately, I agree that manual N/A cars should hold their value more at least in the near term. Longer term, my concern is that kids today are not into cars as much, and may never even learn to drive a manual, so like what you might be seeing with really old classic Smerican cars, a generational shift could change the situation.
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Love your ChatGPT output. Softening (in a winter period!) does not mean crashing or MSRP is coming.
Let’s put a bet. When is MSRP coming in your mind? If not MSRP, what is the lowest ADM you predict and when?
Love your ChatGPT output. Softening (in a winter period!) does not mean crashing or MSRP is coming.
Let’s put a bet. When is MSRP coming in your mind? If not MSRP, what is the lowest ADM you predict and when?
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I’m not upset about ADMs falling, I welcome that. As someone who worked in Marketing, in Chicago, I’m disappointed in the way you present opinion and limited data as fact.
ADMs, of course, are softening. That’s not a crash, that’s a normal cycle. You state it as a “crash”, I’m asking you to present your target and time for MSRP or a weakened ADM.
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You're obviously the smartest guy in the room. Got all the data. Tell us when GT3s will be selling at MSRP. Don't hide your light under a bushel.
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However, winged cars are already approaching it. ADMs have compressed from $100K to $10-25K in under two years. Apparently, I am not the only one tracking data, as my new friend GT Driven's January report just confirmed 50% sell-through rates across 992.1 and 992.2 GT3s, with medians well below moving averages. Inventory is building, not clearing. At this trajectory, winged cars at or near sticker by mid 2026 isn't a stretch. Cars aren't being sold. There is another tell. And the "this is winter" excuse is thin, as we have several years of data and winter has not been a major factor for GT3s over the past 4 years.
Touring will take longer. The 50/50 production split and stronger demand have insulated it. But new Touring inventory just jumped 32% in a single pull. It really depends on whether Porsche continues production at this crazy pace. I am not the smartest guy, but I am tracking the data, and it appears that nobody is asking the hard questions from their dealer or others, and just drinking the Kool-Aid they have been given on GT3s.
The data shows these are not worth $300k cars, and we see that in the data. Now, whether a Porsche dealer will want to let go of their scared cow is another story. Would I wait to purchase a GT3? Yes.
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I've been pretty transparent about that — my original post three weeks ago said "these will be MSRP cars before too long" and I've since refined that based on tracking the data week over week. Touring ADMs are stickier than I initially expected, and I've said that openly in this thread. I'm not hiding anything — I'm updating my view as new data comes in, which is what you're supposed to do.
However, winged cars are already approaching it. ADMs have compressed from $100K to $10-25K in under two years. Apparently, I am not the only one tracking data, as my new friend GT Driven's January report just confirmed 50% sell-through rates across 992.1 and 992.2 GT3s, with medians well below moving averages. Inventory is building, not clearing. At this trajectory, winged cars at or near sticker by mid 2026 isn't a stretch. Cars aren't being sold. There is another tell. And the "this is winter" excuse is thin, as we have several years of data and winter has not been a major factor for GT3s over the past 4 years.
Touring will take longer. The 50/50 production split and stronger demand have insulated it. But new Touring inventory just jumped 32% in a single pull. It really depends on whether Porsche continues production at this crazy pace. I am not the smartest guy, but I am tracking the data, and it appears that nobody is asking the hard questions from their dealer or others, and just drinking the Kool-Aid they have been given on GT3s.
The data shows these are not worth $300k cars, and we see that in the data. Now, whether a Porsche dealer will want to let go of their scared cow is another story. Would I wait to purchase a GT3? Yes.
However, winged cars are already approaching it. ADMs have compressed from $100K to $10-25K in under two years. Apparently, I am not the only one tracking data, as my new friend GT Driven's January report just confirmed 50% sell-through rates across 992.1 and 992.2 GT3s, with medians well below moving averages. Inventory is building, not clearing. At this trajectory, winged cars at or near sticker by mid 2026 isn't a stretch. Cars aren't being sold. There is another tell. And the "this is winter" excuse is thin, as we have several years of data and winter has not been a major factor for GT3s over the past 4 years.
Touring will take longer. The 50/50 production split and stronger demand have insulated it. But new Touring inventory just jumped 32% in a single pull. It really depends on whether Porsche continues production at this crazy pace. I am not the smartest guy, but I am tracking the data, and it appears that nobody is asking the hard questions from their dealer or others, and just drinking the Kool-Aid they have been given on GT3s.
The data shows these are not worth $300k cars, and we see that in the data. Now, whether a Porsche dealer will want to let go of their scared cow is another story. Would I wait to purchase a GT3? Yes.
You keep mentioning the data, but you don't actually have a complete set of data. Not even close. We all can see the fluctuations in pricing happen across various platforms, but without complete sales data you can not make any analytical assessments. If you do, they are just assumptions. I'm not saying you are wrong, but also not saying you're right. You can't be throwing around the term 'the data' when it's incomplete. Data analysis and statistics are not simple subjects. So, if you want to sound smart, be smart about it.