groundhog

Sure, but on tight - technical circuits it makes virtually no difference. Particularly on circuits with multiple compound corners.

Round a 1:30s circuit technical circuit, there was less than 1s between a 991 GT2 RS, 992 GT3 RS and 991.2 GT3 RS (all on Cup 2R). I drove all three cars, good dry conditions around 22 degrees air temp. This came about because a friend of mine wanted to sell his 992 GT3 RS largely because he preferred his 991 GT2 RS, and given it had only 2,000kms on it, and I thought I might take a punt. The quickest was the 991 GT2 RS and the slowest was the 991.2 GT3 RS, the 992 GT3 RS split the difference ~ 0.6s quicker than the 991.2 GT3 RS. (fastest times out of ~ 10 laps each with one warm up and tire adjustment and one cool down).

I'm not the only one to find the real world differences surprisingly small This is not intended as criticism, merely an observation. Also, if it was Cup racing, the time differences would be significant - but thats the point, its not Cup racing.

I'm a decent driver (multiple Cup stints, EU and other Tarmac rallying), I appreciate the technical excellence of the 992 GT3 RS and can fully nerd out on the adjustability, but equally I'm still surprised how quick the 991.2 GT3 RS is.

The original point of my initial comment was in reference to the Cup 2 R tires, hence the Motortrend data highlighting the remarkable similarities generated by their testing. The figure 8 test is a very good measure of handling and grip and that data shows the chassis, handling and grip performance of the 991 GT2 RS, 991.2 GT3 RS and 992 GT3 RS are very similar, effectively near identical for those conditions.

I look forward to seeing where the 992.2 GT3 RS goes but am hoping the 994 really gets back to basics with significant weight reduction. Time will tell.

mooty

so many data
so many ppl missing the point

groundhog

Not really, I've owned plenty and raced, on and off, for close on thirty years to a decent level. I like the technical side a great deal and get a lot of pleasure out of that and driving hard in all sorts of competition. Competition is both a mental and physical task, not one or the other - you can't decouple them. Moroever, without data and an understanding of logging you will struggle at any meaningful level of competition, thats just how it is these days even in Cup.

I think Porsche needs to get back to real basics - getting bigger and faster doesn't mean a better or more engaging road car. I would like to see them make a much lighter- weight car from composites, developed chassis up and NA powered. I think the direction they are headed is not inspiring or even particularly interesting, just feels formulaic, its not a bad formula but perhaps they need to think outside of the box.

I guess I used to get excited for a new Porsche, just doesn't really happen any more. It feels like Ferrari are trying to square the circle, McLaren seem a bit stuck (like Porsche - I didn't like the Artura) and Lambo is just being Lambo.

I feel they got so close with the Spyder RS...................................................................... (needs a better roof solution and multi link/wishbone all round, weight reduction - its core is really 981)

PS My son got his first P car, second hand Guards Red 981 base Cayman, only 10,000ks and the original owner massively over specced it (think GTS like interior), anyhow I had a drive of it and really enjoyed it, fish and chips at the pub and drive home. Perhaps theres something to be said for simplicity.

PTS

Correct. Worth pointing out the most critical of the 992 are 991 owners. Ask groundhog what he owns

DodoBrd

I could be showing my age a bit here, but I feel the opposite.... the amount of cool cars in the past 10 years (from all manufacturers) is pretty incredible, and most of these cars are in the 'realistically obtainable' price point for many Americans with a decent job. What other 10 year period has produced so many cool cars?

Manifold

Cars are changing. Some people prefer older stuff, some prefer newer, some like both about equally. The right answer is subjective and personal.

Le Petit Garage

I say this all the time, having a fast car is easy nowadays. You can buy a Tesla off the shelf and hit 10s or 9s. Camaros with 600hp, etc etc. Heck even an M3 has ~500hp and is absurdly quick. Yes some cars have lost some feel, but have picked up in other areas. Has been a great decade of motoring where speed became “cheap”.

Manifold

Fast car on track means something, but if you're not racing, does anyone need anything faster than say a GT4? Enjoyment of the car could be considered more important than the lap time. I have a 991.2 3RS and a 992 GT3, and both have about the same lap time on track, but I find the 991 a lot more fun to drive on track.

Ability to enjoy a fast car on the road depends on roads available to you, the opportunity to drive fast without getting a ticket, hitting something, or going to jail. I have pretty good roads in my area, but I can't truly open up any fast car on these roads. So what I like is a car which is 'fast enough' and, more importantly, fun to drive at doable speeds. 992 3RS needs a lot of speed for the aero to work in corners, so I don't see the sense in it as a road-only car.

pitt911

the bursts of acceleration in fast cars not the end speed is one aspect that rarely get mentioned in discussions
for example
I have been daily driving a 992 CS recently and I enjoy the car , but I miss the 992 TTS , my G80 M3 , f90 M5 and bunch of other high HP cars that I used to be able to play around in a safe way in certain areas
I had a 718 GT4 and 718 Spyder and they both lacked what I am talking about despite the fact that they were lovely cars to drive

DodoBrd

I do hope the next 10 years is just as good as the previous 10, but it's not looking great....

Manifold

Agree, that's why I tend to prefer turbo cars for the road, e.g. 991 TTS, 992 TTS, McLaren 570.

Porsche NA GT cars need to be wound up to high revs to deliver acceleration, at which point they're quite loud and drawing attention which may be unwanted, and you're likely going too fast. They can't really deliver bursts of acceleration.

If a car isn't going to give me bursts of acceleration, it needs to at least be fun in other ways.

3-Pedals

My GT cars deliver plenty of acceleration in 1st or 2nd gear around town.

Manifold

That illustrates my point.

PTS

I dig newer cars that have throwback attributes to the greats of old, hence my infatuation with cars like the S/T.

I also dig older cars

95spiderman

i get why people want fast cars to track even if that speed comes at expense of subjective feel. i have what i consider the best subjective drivers car with lotus elise but it is so slow compared to newer cars on track that i am spending as much time looking in mirrors as i do through windshield. not fun at all so i took this track season off and will reevaluate next season. maybe new z06?