frederik

Regarding the 992.2 GT3, it seems quite likely to me that Porsche will bring over many of the improvements in the S/T to the .2 GT3, e.g. better suspension tuning and possibly engine changes. Just like the 991 R was the blueprint for the 991.2 GT3 Touring. But yes, you'll get the digital dash and start/stop button with that. Nothing is perfect.

GTS440

I'm surprising myself saying this, but having done 3000 road miles in my 992.1 Touring I would (slightly reluctantly) still take the 992.2 Digital Dash and Start Button to get the S/T Suspension.

PTS

I would NOT expect the following from the S/T to make it to the .2 GT3 - shorter gearing, shorter shifter/throws, LWFW, mag wheels (unless you purchase a ~30k Weissach package)

I would expect the 3RS powerplant and some version of the softer tuning for the Touring model, but it will likely be somewhere between S/T and .1 GT3 stiffness

Justaroofer

If anyone buys a GT3 variant of any sorts and expects a pillow suspension they bought/ or buying the wrong car.

GrantG

A Manual Weissach package would be an interesting proposition.

Justaroofer

2025 won't see a manual at all. This will also create an unnecessary uphill battle for future certification. Manuals historical across all brands have higher emissions output due to lack of efficiency.

GrantG

That’s model year 2025 and there will not be any 2025 GT3’s (at least in the US where anything built after August factory break in 2025 is a Model Year 2026), so that distinction is not going to matter.

Journeyman73

im actually getting confused by this - does .2 signify 2nd year in production or 2nd variant of the model.

will they be making .1s in MY25 and people are speculating on a .2 refresh not coming until MY26…or for there to be any future 992s, post current year, it will by definition be the .2 variant?

Justaroofer

992.2 is referring to the makeover of sorts for the same body style/chassis.

Porsches push will be the .2 for all Non RS models for likely the next 2 yrs. They MUST dig themselves out of the $hitshow of "special editions" they made for the 992.1 generations. It created an absolute logistics cluster for them and factor the newest tech in the equation they have no need nor incentive to rush into the .2 GT cars.

Ask yourself this, why did Porsche make so many LE cars for the 992.1 gen? It's because they 100% know the .2 will be less desired.

This is sales 101, nothing more.

RL needs to understand. Porsche as a brand doesn't need GT cars anymore to satisfy investors. Volume will always be more desired over margins per unit.

GrantG

This may be sales 101, but it has nothing to do with 992.2 being less desirable. They do this every generation. Was a 991.2 less desirable than a 991.1? No. Then why build LE versions of the 991.1 like the 911R and 50th Anniversary 911??

GrantG

Porsche generations are typically 7 years long with the first (.1) iteration lasting 4 model years and the facelifted (.2) iteration being 3 model years. GT3 production is typically in years 3&4 (.1) and years 6&7 (.2) of the generation. This rule is occasionally bent with some overlap and small numbers of cars built outside this formula.

There will be no US-spec Model Year 2025 GT3. They will skip this year and introduce the facelift (.2) version in Model Year 2026, most likely. It's a little hard to know for sure, since COVID has impacted the schedule somewhat (there would not have typically been Model Year 2024 GT3's for the US market).

992.1 production is basically over with Model Year 2024, with the exception of some special models like 911 S/T.

Justaroofer

50th has an inflation value really and not so much collector value and R has been relatively flatlined and propped by now ST. The reference I made though was largely directed at amount of LE cars.

GrantG

The amount of LE cars is driven by the market (the large margins and large demand). Not because they fear they won't be able to sell 992.2.

In particular, there are already long lines for 992.2 models like GT3/Touring/GT3RS/GT2RS, etc...

Journeyman73

thanks, totally clears it up - and probably explain why ADMs on few remaining MY24 GT3s are very high (ie last builds until potentially 2026)

GT3 Mike

Prices trend down towards the end of production, then start trending back up once its over until the start of the next generation.