cosmos

when you add all the options to the RS, the delta is not that different. The thinking needs to be not this is a touring +, but that it’s a manual, Wingless RS with a Weissach package, then the pricing makes more sense

Justaroofer

That's how I see it aswell, just wish they would've incorporated more RS body without the wing. Ducted fenders, carbon double bubble roof as they did with this, and maybe a touch bit more rear flare and boom it'd be more RS-esk...

TRZ06

You can make it more responsive and direct with a stiffer sidewall tire. You can also increase neg. camber and alter the toe to get a more direct feel. More than one way to skin a cat. It is not all in the springs and dampers.

disden

it’s amazing how your bias toward hating a car you have never driven continues to shade your interpretation. His discussion about the S/T being a base model 911 is about what he WISHES a base 911 could be, meaning a lightweight stripped down bare bones car that is accessible for all to buy. A car that provides a pure emotional driving experience. Meaning he would love to have a cheap 911 made of carbon fiber body panels, Mag wheels, PCCBs, and a Motorsports derived engine paired with a single mass flywheel. Who wouldn’t want all that as a base model! Problem is all that stuff is expensive, and hence why the car is expensive. What makes me chuckle concerning your hatred however is that my S/T at MSRP is probably pretty much the same price as your recently ordered Touring which you paid a hefty ADM. Love it

Angryinch

Hyyyypppeeee.

Cool car, is it that much different from touring? 100lbs less hmm.

rk-d

Interesting review.

Looking at the video, the ride height seems a bit taller than the regular GT3. The wheel gap appears slightly larger. This would make sense given the comments on the ride.

I do agree about the interior - a truly bespoke, radio delete, hardcore but expensively furnished ultra lightweight interior would have been amazing.

The choice to combine a LWFW with a more relaxed steering and handling design is an interesting contrast - seems the reviewers had trouble reconciling that.

It will be interesting to see what the alignment from factory looks like compared to the stock GT3. I went more negative camber, lowered and toed out the front end of my 991.2 Touring and it made a pretty significant difference/improvement.

NRAzar

Very good production quality. They have been improving video-upon-video, and they are one of the few that are not stagnated like other channels such as Doug DeMuro or TheStraightPipes.

rosenbergendo

Would love to drive one and compare to my Touring. Only way to know if its diff is to drive both. Wish I got the call for one, I would've traded my Touring in a second.

Justaroofer

I don't think your math is mathing. You're a VIP? If so great! Otherwise, you're spending 70-80k over the ST minimum. Yes larger value after the first year, and assuming yours is PTS even greater. My Touring I have no shame in saying is 320k. 70k over and Ben literally sent me 2-3 texts tops and money well earned. I broke no sweat and made little to no efforts to secure the spot and honestly the ADM to me is literally less than what I received back in manufacturer rebates last year so oh well.

Now the average ST in the US will be 1.75-2x MSRP plus lease. That's 600-650k all in. Will the value hold, likely yes after the end of the 12 months and greater for PTS. Then the actual market Value will speak which still to be 200k Over sticker if trends match the R... after 5+ years.

The Touring will have a sharper driving dynamic, and dare I say it some may regret going to the ST based on this past review.

At the end of the day factoring MSRP scale I'll maybe loose 30-40k within the first couple years then value will flatline and rebound as inflation creeps.

The best part, the Touring delivery got bumped ahead another 10 days yesterday. Meanwhile STs and my PTS 3RS are sitting in a perpetual flying hold pattern with month after month delays hitting.

I like Mullets yes, just not in the form of a 600k car.

Justaroofer

How people watch Doug, I'll never understand. Good for him though.

Diablo Dude

Would love to know what these 2 guys thought of the Carrera T.

GrantG

I think the intent was to make it a narrow-body (well, medium anyways) version, so things like the RS front vented fenders were too wide. And the rear flare of the 992 GT3 is already very wide for a road car. The intent was to make the car lighter and smaller than the RS, so it would be more playful (and not occupy an entire lane of traffic) than the RS...

With the original 911, you could choose your line through a given corner. In the new RS, you have to concentrate to just keep it between the lines on some narrow roads (like they have in UK and parts of Europe, especially).

PTS

The day I am only able to assess cars for their potential ROI is the day I will stop buying cars. Must be sad for that to be your only lens. The mental gymnastics you've done to justify a $330k+ Touring yet talk down on the ST is nothing short of amazing. "Lose" still has 1 "o"

TRZ06

I am not a fan of his delivery style either, with all that high pitched sentences.

HOWEVER, outside of his video content, he is a really cool guy to listen to. I have not met him in person, but watching interviews and podcasts that he has done, he is easy to listen to and seems to be a pretty down to earth car guy.

disden

The math is simple. MSRP for mine is $305k, and it’s already built. no watch no trade in, ect ect. Unfortunately the only additional cost is the shake down by Porsche for a 12 month lease, which really amounts to about $25k in lease interest to Porsche, as the rest of the lease payment pays down the end of lease purchase residual. the $70-80k you keep mentioning as a lease cost is not 100% interest, for example my purchase price after the 12 month lease is $263k.

Your continued trashing of the ST is now bordering on mental derangement. I know you have left the winged world and bought a Touring so you are a bit biased, but what makes you honestly believe people will regret selling their Touring for the S/T? Based upon what? Based upon your extensive seat time in both? Numerous reviews have directly compared the cars back to back and have universally stated that the S/T is 100% a more dynamic, emptional and frankly a better car. Nowhere is it mentioned the Touring is a bad car, quite the opposite. The end statement is always that the Touring is an amazing unbelievable car that anyone should be thrilled to own, but the S/T with the changes Porsche has made is simply better. It’s therefor up to the buyers to decide if the cost difference, especially when considering the ADM most people are being forced to pay, is worth it.

I would not be buying my S/T if an ADM was attached. Also, I would not be buying it if Porche didn’t make the changes in ride quality and steering input. I absolutely hated my 992 GT3 on the street, it was a jittery tramlining handful on any pavement that was not perfectly racetrack smooth. When I pick up my S/T in a few months I will honestly give my opinions of the car, whether I like it or not. But I won’t sit here and say it’s awful before driving it as that’s the epitome of being self serving and disingenuous.