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Old 03-29-2024, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
So you don't consider power steering and actuator assist is steer by wire? Hmmmm ok. Good thing your ST won't have lane assist lol. Last I.checked the rack and pinion are the same(as they are) for ALL 911s... GT or not. Can you prove me wrong? Thanks.
Steer by wire has a very specific definition and in such a system there is no mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the car's wheels (term comes from aviation where Airbus first made planes of that variety - the yoke has no mechanical connection to the control surfaces).
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Originally Posted by GrantG
Steer by wire has a very specific definition and in such a system there is no mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the car's wheels (term comes from aviation where Airbus first made planes of that variety - the yoke has no mechanical connection to the control surfaces).
Lol, oh I know. I just think Disden assumed the racks fully mechanical and no ecu input.
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Has anyone ran an ST against a Touring at the track, back to back like carwow did with the GT3 and Turbo S?
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Originally Posted by rickman_fr
Do you really believe your musings that suggest an S/T owner might regret not having bought a Touring, which is simply a GT3 without a wing?
Just a Gt3 is not such as bad thing, very responsive front end turn in and RWS do make for an engaging drive. Do I love the S/T absolutely.
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Originally Posted by Angryinch
Has anyone ran an ST against a Touring at the track, back to back like carwow did with the GT3 and Turbo S?
My guess is that they'd be fairly closely matched (objective laptimes close, but each with a different subjective character). Any objective differences likely to be swamped by the quality of amateur driver (by the clock).

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The fact that you can order OEM S/T parts flywheel and clutch for the Gt3 touring/gt3 is pretty spectacular to me. I maybe one of the minority here but I think the front end of the 992 Gt3 is nearly perfect.
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Old 03-29-2024, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Justaroofer
No it's just stating those that had Touring prior may miss characteristics of the Touring such as sharper driving and RWS. Everyone is so caught up on the SMFW and 90lbs of weight loss. I'm sorry, the sacrifices of weight aren't always justified when you seek a connected car.... and the first point of connection being the wheel has a slower less engaging steering rack. Sure the suspension has been "tuned" but we're literally talking about algorithms taken from the lowest setting of the 3rs(prove me wrong, please). I love they lowered the gear ratio and the shifter is shorter. Even in the 4RS the height of the shift **** is frankly annoying. Oddly enough the fanatics of that car seem to also love the ST for the same reason... the sounds within the cabin.

Now I'm no brand loyalist, but just based on the fact I'm a car guy I appreciate all things mechanical. I suppose my tastes just reside closer to the TH guys. Just note not their lack of enthusiasm for the ST as compared to both these 2 videos. Just saying.

https://youtu.be/7xf35zoQcC4?si=J-mhpERJl3c6CeNe

https://youtu.be/eITIfzbIt28?si=JGRAASh7Xr7JVTdv
you can isolate specific characteristics to claim that they are better or worse. However, it's not wise because a car is a whole, a system, and if Porsche took so long to fine-tune the S/T, it's because it's not as simple as that. I don't know how you can have such black-and-white positions.
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Originally Posted by Angryinch
Has anyone ran an ST against a Touring at the track, back to back like carwow did with the GT3 and Turbo S?
Not on a track and not a touring, but back to back my wing car to the ST. End result is my ST gets built this summer.
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Originally Posted by TOporschefan
Just a Gt3 is not such as bad thing, very responsive front end turn in and RWS do make for an engaging drive. Do I love the S/T absolutely.
I agree with you. GT3 is a good car.
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Originally Posted by rickman_fr
you can isolate specific characteristics to claim that they are better or worse. However, it's not wise because a car is a whole, a system, and if Porsche took so long to fine-tune the S/T, it's because it's not as simple as that. I don't know how you can have such black-and-white positions.
Right. That's my whole point. I.dont think ones going to be able to say generally X is better than Y. Each will have pros/cons. Different strokes for different folks as they say.
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Originally Posted by Angryinch
Has anyone ran an ST against a Touring at the track, back to back like carwow did with the GT3 and Turbo S?
Time will tell. Either way I'd say most would argue the 992 Turbo S is go good in so many ways that it can be somewhat dull. Amazing machine and absolutely love mine, but it can become so textbook that new challenges are needed. The 2RS will be the real "GOAT" as they may call it.
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Originally Posted by GrantG
I have a feeling that I'd be very happy if my GT3 had the S/T suspension tuning on the softer of the two settings and kept the stiffer of the two settings as it is.
Soft compression and stiff rebound?
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Who is the target market for the S/T?
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Originally Posted by Nick
Who is the target market for the S/T?
I know this one...it's 5X the people who will get one.
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Originally Posted by mass27
I know this one...it's 5X the people who will get one.
Lol... now how many of them actually intend to drive it. You sure the ST isnt a scam?!... asking for a friend.

The ST will definitely make up some of the accounting hiccups.

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