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Old 04-29-2023 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Imback_Again
Thanks guys for all the comments, I’ll try to answer some of the questions.

I’m in Texas. Unfortunately I was never able to get an allocation. After that year of wasted time, I found my GT3 in Illinois. It was brand new and sitting on their showroom. (You can read more about that adventure HERE)

I did call Porche customer service. The CSR just simply opened a case and said someone would reach out in 3-5 days. That was on Tuesday the 25th and on Friday I got an email from someone in Atlanta saying they had just received the case and that they needed 3-5 days to get their arms around it. So the wait continues.

I talked to the local dealer yesterday (Friday the 28th) and he said nothing had changed. That Porsche had asked for some BS compression data from the opposite side. They are just going in circles.

As for the whole lemon law thing. I don’t think it will be a problem to get Porsche to buy the car back. But that will be a mess and quite frankly not at all what I want. I spent a year trying to get a GT3 and I still want one. I just need them to fix my car, or give me an allocation for another GT3.

What if they offer an RS allocation. Should you take that?
They wont give you an allocation. They will only credit you your purchase price toward a GT3 on a dealer lot. The only other option is a buyback.
Old 04-29-2023 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by soulsea
PCNA always has a few discretionary allocations under the sofa cushions.
This ^^

Our first 15 Macan Turbo was in shop for an air suspension problem - locals had no idea as the car was one of the first, Germany had to send someone to find the error- for more than 30 days. At that time they were un-gettable as it was the hot new thing. CA lemon Law meant not attoneys needed they took it back, refunded all of the purchase, AND gave us the next spec'able build spot they had. Not a GT3 but PCNA can make it happen.

(Second one we sold back too but didn't need Lemon Law - man they had issues on launch! )
Old 04-29-2023 | 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Imback_Again
Thanks guys for all the comments, I’ll try to answer some of the questions.

I’m in Texas. Unfortunately I was never able to get an allocation. After that year of wasted time, I found my GT3 in Illinois. It was brand new and sitting on their showroom. (You can read more about that adventure HERE)

I did call Porche customer service. The CSR just simply opened a case and said someone would reach out in 3-5 days. That was on Tuesday the 25th and on Friday I got an email from someone in Atlanta saying they had just received the case and that they needed 3-5 days to get their arms around it. So the wait continues.

I talked to the local dealer yesterday (Friday the 28th) and he said nothing had changed. That Porsche had asked for some BS compression data from the opposite side. They are just going in circles.

As for the whole lemon law thing. I don’t think it will be a problem to get Porsche to buy the car back. But that will be a mess and quite frankly not at all what I want. I spent a year trying to get a GT3 and I still want one. I just need them to fix my car, or give me an allocation for another GT3.

What if they offer an RS allocation. Should you take that?
lol they aren’t going to give you an RS allocation man.
sounds like they are working on it and have every intention of fixing the car.

maybe give them the opportunity to fix it.

these things happen.
Old 04-30-2023 | 11:22 AM
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I agree, I don’t think they will give an RS or anything really. I think it will be in the shop for another 6 weeks minimum (that will be 3 months total). They will end up putting the motor back together and they will call me one day out of the blue and say your car is ready. I will have a new car with a rebuilt motor. Take it or leave it will be their thoughts. If I leave it, they will buy me out and sell the car to the next guy. It’s business and they have a long line of people ready to buy one.





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Having gone through this, let me tell you the reality. Porsche will make you whole. Others may speculate, but I know from experience. My 2022 TS, I did buy at MSRP, so I cant talk about the ADM stuff, but Porsche will do the following (After I threatened to lemon law my Turbo S (3 times in the shop for 30 days):

1. They will buy it back, for MSRP, but most likely that's never going to happen. They will require the selling dealer to buy it back for whatever you paid for it, and then the dealer attempts to fix the car.
2. They will offer you a cash settlement in lieu of you doing a lemon/buyback/dealer repurchase, which means they fix your car, and you get paid for the inconvenience... but then you can also sell the car on your own.
3. They will buyback the car, towards a "like" replacement that they find in their network of dealerships. This means you will get a replacement GT3, but you will NOT get to spec your own car, you will get whatever color and options they find that NEARLY matches your sticker price.
4. IF YOU talk nicely with your rep (yes they assign you a rep), and you genuinely show them you want a rational conclusion for you both, they will offer you the cash, AND an allocation for the SAME type of car. GT3 for GT3, Turbo S for Turbo S (hell you cant even pick to go coupe vs cab). BUT then what you have is called an 'on top' allocation, you then get to barter it with ANY dealership of your choosing (but usually its either the repairing dealership or the selling dealership).

I personally took the cash, sold my car for 10k 'loss' from what I paid after putting 5900 miles on it, but their check covered this and sooooo much more lol, then took my Turbo S allocation and traded it to my selling dealership for a GT3 allocation, that I specc'd to my hearts content (although Buckets and PCCBs were stop sale). The DEALERSHIP relationship matters to make this work. I shopped my allocation around, and everyone WANTS the allocation, but few will upgrade you, even though this allocation helps them a lot as it will count as one of their allocations towards their numbers... I didnt sign a non disclosure, but I wont be sharing anything more than this (although this is basically pulling the curtains back pretty wide).

The power is yours after 30 days out of service AND you contact an email address I can share with you (its not top secret, I just need to go find it).

Hope this helps!

Anyone want my 21 miles 2023 GT3 for 'market' pricing? lol... (I'm just trying to get the crowd riled up, plenty here get bent out of shape because of my GT3 not being driven, I only got it as a step towards a GT3 RS, but I am going to take the money and run...)


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Old 04-30-2023 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ILL_SMO_Q
Anyone want my 21 miles 2023 GT3 for 'market' pricing? lol... (I'm just trying to get the crowd riled up, plent here get bent out of shape because of my GT3 not being driven, I only got it as a step towards a GT3 RS, but I am going to take the money and run...)
I thought you mentioned somewhere that your dealer said they may be able to help with the RS allocation?
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I thought you mentioned somewhere that your dealer said they may be able to help with the RS allocation?
I'm not trying to bogart this guys thread... but to answer your question, I am asking myself, how much more of the 'Porsche game' I want to keep playing to skip-the-line, when each successive step lowers my probability of success. Turbo S ( I had to beg, but got it with no prior purchase history..), then while I didn't plan it to happen this way, I got my first GT car, but even that wasn't easy (only my TS selling dealership was willing to help me make the leap), GT3 to GT3 RS I am pretty sure I can make happen but will take some time and more effort than I want to put forward (I have a couple of options, but none guaranteed), but then to go from GT3 RS to GT2 RS gets exponentially more impossible, because I don't want to buy the 'filler cars' I would be required to buy to be THAT kind of customer. So I may just cut and run, or I could hold it and see if its meaningful trade bait for a 992.2 GT3.. but again from there MAYBE its an easier path to getting a GT3 RS but still stuck making that huge leap from GT3 RS to GT2 RS... I dont know.. I'm not the Porsche nut so many of you are... I've done so many brands, I'm kinda a car *****... Porsche doesn't cater to the immediate gratification people like me.. lol.. patience isn't a virtue of mine.

I'll know in a few weeks, I paid cash for the GT3, and while I have the car, I dont have the damn title... they are dragging azz lol. Maybe they know
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Old 05-01-2023 | 09:09 PM
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Wow, sorry to hear
Old 05-05-2023 | 02:52 AM
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Update… Thank you for all the DM’s. Many of you have asked for an update so here it is….

Well I wish there was one. Nothing has changed. The car and engine has been disassembled. No one knows anything. The dealer is waiting on Porsche for the next steps. We’ve been stagnant for about 10 days. I filled a formal complaint with PCNA 11 days ago and havnt heard anything from them either.
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Old 05-05-2023 | 12:47 PM
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getting a gt3 should be a highlight in your life and this is a misery instead. all my sympathy. i cant stand dealerships and factories are not far behind.

but how would you feel if it takes several more months to fix it and then you lose out on summer driving season? that would leave a permanent bad taste in my mouth and i would look to give car back at this point.
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Old 05-05-2023 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 95spiderman
getting a gt3 should be a highlight in your life and this is a misery instead. all my sympathy. i cant stand dealerships and factories are not far behind.

but how would you feel if it takes several more months to fix it and then you lose out on summer driving season? that would leave a permanent bad taste in my mouth and i would look to give car back at this point.
Agreed. He’s already missing some of the best driving months whilst his engine remains in pieces and with no progress. LL it sooner versus later so that a GT3 replacement is in his hands quicker.
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Old 05-05-2023 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Imback_Again
I agree, I don’t think they will give an RS or anything really. I think it will be in the shop for another 6 weeks minimum (that will be 3 months total). They will end up putting the motor back together and they will call me one day out of the blue and say your car is ready. I will have a new car with a rebuilt motor. Take it or leave it will be their thoughts. If I leave it, they will buy me out and sell the car to the next guy. It’s business and they have a long line of people ready to buy one.





Wow, it really sucks that you are having this bad experience with your brand new 992 GT3. Personally, I would NOT want this particular car (new 1,500 mile GT3 with an engine that was torn down by the dealership) back at this point...good luck resolving your situation.
Old 05-05-2023 | 04:54 PM
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I agree, at this point I would just have them buy the car back from you and either give you an allocation for one or write you a check.

Given what you paid for it, if they are willing to reimburse you the full amount including ADM I would just take the check and find another one for similar money. If they're not willing to make you whole including ADM then I would ask for an allocation.
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This just happened to me today. It cleared itself in the beginning but now it’s just on. I’m only at 350 miles.

how common is this
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I have a 992 GT3 that is throwing CEL's as well. Mine seems to be a fuel problem of some kind. Originally if you sat at idle with the engine warmed up it would throw a message "Engine Control Error. Driving Permitted. Visit Workshop". After driving about 15 seconds it would clear itself. The dealer has replaced a low pressure sensor and it helped but would still throw codes at times. They are now replacing the fuel pump and potentially the same pressure sensor with a different version. According to the dealer PAG says it is a known issue that will be address in some future software upgrade.

Overall the 992 seems to have extremely sensitive sensors.
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Originally Posted by jlee504
This just happened to me today. It cleared itself in the beginning but now it’s just on. I’m only at 350 miles.

how common is this

I can’t say if this is common or not yet. My car did present a check engine light once before this and it did clear itself.

The second time the light came on, it never cleared it. My car seemed to run fine.

Porsche has asked the dealer to pull the pistons on the right side (#4, 5 and 6). They think the cylinder walls might not have been milled correctly. They are going to use #6 as a baseline (it didn’t have any issues with the “Leak Down” test) #4 and 5 did have issues with #4 being the worst.

The funny thing is, the dealership doesn’t even have the tools to take the pistons out or the tool that Porsche wants them to use to measure the walls. They are now requesting the tools. The dealer said they don’t have the tools because they have never been asked to do this work on an engine. SMH

I would be really interested in hearing more detail regarding what yours is doing.


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