User 81423

Yeah for sure

i don’t feel screwed, nor does the dealer.

But it’s all cyclical, we’re wasting time on the bickering

i am annoyed that I took the kooks bait though

usctrojanGT3

Exactly, I don't see how anyone gets screwed when both sides benefit. I wish there were more dealers like yours and mine out there.

lawrence1

Not sure how anyone can expect a business to literally hand them $125K+ by selling them a car for that much under market value (at MSRP). Sure, if you're a known whale, or an absolute known quantity customer, the dealer may do you a solid knowing you'll vacuum up other inventory when offered to you, but there is generally an understanding that those cars cycle back through the same dealer when it's time to move them.

OP, are you trading in your 991.2 GT3? If so, what would you expecting to get for it on trade?

I mean look at all the new GT cars that are being flipped with delivery miles. Lots of those were bought for MSRP on a b.s. pretext that they're keepers, etc. only to be flipped immediately after delivery. Too much of an incentive for this type of behavior when one can net $75k-$100K out of a flip deal.

If market values were $10-$20k over, the story would be much different. The only thing the dealer did poorly here IMO is that they didn't call you to return your deposit sooner.

RossP

I dont have any issue with this method. Its awesome you get to enjoy some amazing cars, and the dealership continues to maximize profits. But make no mistake, the part in bold is a form of ADM. Dont believe me, stop trading your cars in when you try to purchase new ones at MSRP and see how quickly the allocations dry up.

993RR

At least, no rioting as with the cabbage patch dolls.

https://abc7ny.com/cabbage-patch-dol...vault/5713681/

Diablo Dude

Bingo.
Those allocations will dry up faster than you can blink an eye.

User 81423

I’ve done both. No change to allocations

fair wholesale value means I drive the car for free
zero net cash lost

So hypocritical to play by a double standard while you’re all screaming bloody murder about ADM

User 81423

Demonstrably false in my experience, but think whatever you want.
whatever helps you sleep at night

usctrojanGT3

He'll never believe you because the thought of getting an GT allocation at MSRP without getting raped on a trade in would blow his mind. Again, this local area stealers don't know the definition of a mutually beneficial relationship.

Leo_g

Let L2 be happy ... He's paying MSRP and that's what important the most. Note that he's using the term "fair wholesale value". It's not fair market value. That is a hint for the implicit ADM.

porsche518

I hate to see posts like this and customers frustrated. Porsche is losing a part of what made them so appealing to begin with.

User 81423

yep you got me

im speaking in code

usctrojanGT3

See what they are saying is that you got royally bent over with no lube because you didn't get full retail price for your GT3 because only then can you say that you truly got your car for MSRP. Get the car for MSRP and sell it privately for the top retail dollar on BAT, you and I totally F'ed up. Oh wait, how is that a mutually beneficially business relationship for both us the dealer....seems like we are getting our cake and eating it too....and then we might get a nasty call/email from the dealer and/or PCNA to stop or else we are black listed. Yeah no thanks, I'm fine trading that I get wholesale for the cars that I trade back in to my dealer since they have me what I wanted (MSRP allocations).

RossP

Lets explore this. He buys a GT car at MSRP. Owns/drives it for a while. Then decides to trade it back to the dealer for the next new Porsche GT car. For arguments sake lets say the dealer gives him MSRP back for the trade. As he alluded to in a later post he gets to basically "drive the car for free". But wait........then the dealer turns around and sells his old car for 50k over MSRP. How could this be?

Lets at least be honest about whats happening here.

User 81423

yes 100% nailed it on the head
how can I expect dealer to sell me a car at sticker and then I turn around and proclaim free markets and flip it

i am not a car dealer, my day job keeps me plenty busy

Yes you explained it
whats your confusion

dealer selling used car at 50k over is still well below market rate
i know the second buyer, local guy
he was thrilled
and now a new customer gets into the brand thru a positive experience

thats how you build

bravo to them