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Old 04-04-2023, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
296 GTB is a better car than the SF90.
Drama is a good point! A screamer with high redline adds to that for sure. Sexy looks does also.

I am not a fan of the looks of the 296 and that weird paint scheme is horrible to my eyes.

Sf90 is ok at best in the looks department. The new lambo is drop dead gorgeous.

765 and the new lambo are the best looking cars to my eyes of the last 5 years, maybe 10.

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Originally Posted by Nizer
296 GTB is a better car than the SF90.
Have you driven both?
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This is no disrespect to the 992 GT3, as it’s a great car, but it’s simply not in the same league as the 765LT. Period.

There isn’t a better car on the road at the moment than a 765LT, at any price point really.

Personally I have zero interest in a 4200lb Lambo or even a 4000lb SF90.

McLaren has the right idea...it’s not a power war, it’s a WEIGHT war and most manufacturers are losing it...
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Originally Posted by Tupper
Drama is the ONE attribute, and a very important one, that EV motors will never be able to come close to usurping ICE in. Not even by a mile. And Lamborghini is doubling down on the drama with a NA V12 that revs to 9500 RPM, along with an electric motor to add some oomph. I LOVE what Lamborghini is doing here. Meanwhile, Ferrari and McLaren are downsizing to V6 turbo models that might be fast, but who are you kidding, here? Celebrate the ICE motor, don't downplay it!
i don’t think I’d borrow so much worry about that. Ferrari is going to continue building v12s, and it looks pretty likely McLaren will v8s. And while the gt3rs isn’t my flavor, it’s pretty dramatic with a v6. Maybe Lambo ends up being the only one for you, but i doubt they’ll be the only one.
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Originally Posted by BrntRubber
Drama is a good point! A screamer with high redline adds to that for sure. Sexy looks does also.

I am not a fan of the looks of the 296 and that weird paint scheme is horrible to my eyes.

Sf90 is ok at best in the looks department. The new lambo is drop dead gorgeous.

765 and the new lambo are the best looking cars to my eyes of the last 5 years, maybe 10.
Maybe not the best cannon carver, but If you want a screamer with a dramatic as it gets engine note look no further than an 812 Superfast with a Gintani exhaust. There was one at the track last week unbelievable sound, never heard anything like it.
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Originally Posted by Aorta
This is no disrespect to the 992 GT3, as it’s a great car, but it’s simply not in the same league as the 765LT. Period.

There isn’t a better car on the road at the moment than a 765LT, at any price point really.
Gordon Murray T.50? It’s in production now, but not many on the road…

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Originally Posted by GrantG
Gordon Murray T.50? It’s in production now, but not many on the road…
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the T.33

HOWEVER, for as cool as they are, they should not be in this conversation as all T.50 AND T.33's are spoken for and are a 100 run per model car. Not exactly accessible or obtainable.
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the T.33

HOWEVER, for as cool as they are, they should not be in this conversation as all T.50 AND T.33's are spoken for and are a 100 run per model car. Not exactly accessible or obtainable.
I was simply suggesting that car, since the poster said "at any price point" and you could acquire one at any price, I'm sure (even if you had to overpay for someone's allocation)...

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Originally Posted by Aorta
This is no disrespect to the 992 GT3, as it’s a great car, but it’s simply not in the same league as the 765LT. Period.

There isn’t a better car on the road at the moment than a 765LT, at any price point really.

Personally I have zero interest in a 4200lb Lambo or even a 4000lb SF90.

McLaren has the right idea...it’s not a power war, it’s a WEIGHT war and most manufacturers are losing it...
You clearly don't pay attention to ECOTY. The 765 LT lost to the mighty M2 CS

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Originally Posted by Aorta
This is no disrespect to the 992 GT3, as it’s a great car, but it’s simply not in the same league as the 765LT. Period.

There isn’t a better car on the road at the moment than a 765LT, at any price point really.
Originally Posted by GrantG
Gordon Murray T.50? It’s in production now, but not many on the road…
Never driven the GMA T50 (obviously) but I have had ample seat time in a 765LT and from everything I know about the T50, I think they are really different cars.

The 765LT is like a 3RS, with the wick turned up, or maybe a 2RS with the wick turned up on a Keto diet.

The GMA T50 seems more like a more civilized version of the GT4RS.

But who knows for certain, not me that's for sure.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
The GMA T50 seems more like a more civilized version of the GT4RS.
Exactly the same, except with double the power to weight ratio (1,000 pounds less weight and 163hp more power), double the cylinders, Manual gearbox, 3,100 rpm higher redline, more torque, double wishbones instead of struts, and much lower gearing, many times the downforce, etc

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I think the T.50 and T.33 are perhaps the two most ‘exciting’ cars to come out in a very long time. Absolutely in love with both of them. However there hasn’t been any customer deliveries to my knowledge. Soon though. V12, 12k rpm, manual, 670hp, 2200lbs. Very much YES PLEASE.

As for the person who commented on ECOTY. LOL. You can have your M2. I’ll stick with the 765LTS. Glad you enjoy reading...I enjoy driving.
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Originally Posted by Aorta
I think the T.50 and T.33 are perhaps the two most ‘exciting’ cars to come out in a very long time. Absolutely in love with both of them. However there hasn’t been any customer deliveries to my knowledge. Soon though. V12, 12k rpm, manual, 670hp, 2200lbs. Very much YES PLEASE.

As for the person who commented on ECOTY. LOL. You can have your M2. I’ll stick with the 765LTS. Glad you enjoy reading...I enjoy driving.

For those that do get them, I don't think you are going to see them out on the tracks. They are $1.3M and $2.3M respectively for the T.33 & T.50. They will be collectables. They are only making 100 of each model and ALL are spoken for. The product cycle for 100 cars is 3 years start to finish. 50% (that is 50 cars) have been sold into the US market, the other 50% in other countries.

I watched an interview with Gordon on them.

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Originally Posted by GrantG
Exactly the same, except with double the power to weight ratio (1,000 pounds less weight and 163hp more power), double the cylinders, Manual gearbox, 3,100 rpm higher redline, more torque, double wishbones instead of struts, and much lower gearing, many times the downforce, etc
So virtually the same
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Originally Posted by TRZ06
For those that do get them, I don't think you are going to see them out on the tracks. They are $1.3M and $2.3M respectively for the T.33 & T.50. They will be collectables. They are only making 100 of each model and ALL are spoken for. The product cycle for 100 cars is 3 years start to finish. 50% (that is 50 cars) have been sold into the US market, the other 50% in other countries.

I watched an interview with Gordon on them.
I’m very familiar with the cars. I’ll be at GMA in September. Add about $500k-$1m to your prices. Not all T.50’s will make it to the US...even under show and display...similar to the AMG One not being legal in the US.

I have several friends getting them and one in particular will drive the **** out of it. He has 12k miles on his Senna and 40k on his 675LT. So they won’t all be garage queens...

Gonna be spectacular cars...a true modern classics.








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