Originally Posted by Rzani

Yes, it seems like manuals are selling for more than the PDKs at this point. I would expect the value gap between the two to grow. I read something along the lines of a 70% manual take rate for North American GT3s. Whenever that final NA GT3 generation offered in manual happens (the next iteration possibly or maybe this one although unlikely), I would imagine they would appreciate dramatically.

Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin

For the love of god, none of you have any evidence to support your speculation. The PDK is a clearly superior system by any measure. If you want old technology then why buy anything after the first generation GT3. This hanging on to a manual baffles me. I finally went from manual to PDK 3 years ago and I’m never going back.

Originally Posted by PTS

It’s not speculation, look at the market, manuals sell for more than PDK. The majority of buyers don’t give a **** about which transmission can shave 1-3 seconds off a lap time, they care about the experience of driving. If it was always about fastest track times, they would go for the RS model.

Enjoy your PDK

Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin

show me to the manual car that sold for $50k more than the PDK that just sold on BAT for $299k. If you can’t then that is just speculation

Originally Posted by PTS

I never mentioned a $50k premium. There's also not enough secondary market (used market data) to support any premiums for transmission preference yet for the 992. The newest data to use for that comparison are the 991.2 GT3's, and manuals are selling for $15-40k more on average.

Your argument about the manual being outdated and inferior does not apply to perceived market value at all. Is water cooled superior to air cooled? Sure is, yet the 993 911s sell for far more than 997s do, and the 997 is a newer car. Sometimes people dig old/inferior tech for the added experience it brings.

Originally Posted by Rzani

First off, calm down man. I'm not attacking PDKs. Believe it or not, we are all different and we enjoy different things. For instance, I had the exact opposite experience you had. My last 911 was a Turbo S. I found it so boring to drive that I simply rarely drove it and sold it with less than 2500 miles on it. I did track that car and didn't care at all about the fact it was faster because that isn't important to me. I like the driving experience that a manual offers while at the same time I can appreciate the technological marvel that is the PDK, I would just rather my sports car be a manual transmission.

Is it speculation that manuals are selling for more? Yep (at least on my part it is) and If you want hard proof they are selling for more do the research yourself. I'm not your assistant. These are just my obersvations while looking at quite a few GT3s come up for sell. However, the take rate in the US being more than 70% is not speculation. Manual transmission GT3s, at least in the US, are far more popular than the PDKs...

https://www.thedrive.com/news/39478/...l-transmission

Originally Posted by Rzani

This "For the love of God", and then demanding proof.

Who claimed a $50k premium? Wasn't me. Wasn't the other guy who is responding. I said they "seem to be selling for more" and will "probably be more valuable in the future". That is all.

Originally Posted by Mr Mojo Risin

For the love of god, none of you have any evidence to support your speculation. The PDK is a clearly superior system by any measure. If you want old technology then why buy anything after the first generation GT3. This hanging on to a manual baffles me. I finally went from manual to PDK 3 years ago and I’m never going back.

Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser

I was a manual guy up until the 991.2 GT3 and went PDK, good transmission, but now ordering a MT for 992.

Values are well known, just look at BAT for 991.2 GT3…

Touring MT>wing MT>wing PDK.

value doesn’t equal performance. Just look at 993 prices.

we all have our preferences

Originally Posted by PTS

For the love of god, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF

Originally Posted by JAMilford

I don't understand why there is so much emotion around which is more valuable ... touring vs winged, manual vs PDK, PTS/CXX vs Standard, etc. Gents (and Ladies) ..... we are all very privileged to enjoy these spectacular vehicles. I think I have posted this before but as the Grinch once put it ... "One Man's Trash is another Man's Potpourri". I honestly don't believe that many (if any) posters on Rennlist are actually including cars in their investment portfolio.

I think that it is fine to express your preference but why argue about it. If someone makes a declarative/definitive statement that is actually just opinion ... please cut them a little slack. I honestly feel that most posters do not have any ill intent and although many threads are truly entertaining (particularly the "ADM" and the "So the Cayman GT4 is the best" threads lately) I would like to suggest we try not to let emotional perspectives divert these posts.

Originally Posted by WenigerAberBeser

there’s only one dude here getting uptight about values since he doesn’t realize MT always goes for more money on average on the used Porsche market… yet he wants someone to write a dissertation on 911 values before he accepts the fact