groundhog

Street cars being modified for motorsport is the most common form of entre into motorsport - this is something Americans don't understand and its one of the reasons why they never develop world class drivers. OTS cars like a cup car or GT4 clubsport can not be entered into a large number of events as, they are in effect, single class racers, whats more the GT4 Clubsport was and is mutton dressed as lamb - thats why no one buys them.

In most cases you are far better off buying a quality base car and modifying it so that it is compatible with a variety of regs/sup regs - it gives you more flexibility, more seat time, more competition and more fun.

Once again, most Porsche owners do not get involved in competitive motorsport beyond Porsche club level in a Porsche - thats why they never understand this stuff.

AlecG

The amount of condescension and ignorance in this post is truly remarkable...

ipse dixit

You apparently have not read his other posts.

smiles11

groundhog

Just goes to show little so many Porsche owners know about motorsport LOL

groundhog

And the ignorance and stupidity of your comment is a reflection of your arrant parochialism and general lack of motorsport knowledge.

Why do you think the FULL cage from Porsche Motorsport fits directly into a GT3 RS and is fully FIA homologated ............you know the one - the one you're not allowed in the US - so you put colour matched half cages in LMFAO

Nice to see Ipse, GrantG and Smiles11 - giving a thumbs up to ignorance without insight. Great work guys keep it up.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the next GT3 and its ring times - you'll also never get near them.

groundhog

Oh dear ipse - not very classy..........care to elaborate? Gaslighting, so in vogue these days.

and none of that changes anything I have said above.

Nontheless, your comment doesn't change the the reality of the statements I made above - you guys don't get it and I think that applies to most Porsche owners.

There is a saying, all fart and no turd and its very apt.

It also doesn't change the fact ring times are irrelevant, Carrera cup is like watching paint dry and the the GT4 clubsport was crap relative to the competition - as proved by its results in 2019/20 IMSA Michelin Pilot Challenge

groundhog

One of you, anyone - have the gumption to tell us "unwashed" why the ring time of the 992 GT3 is important...................given the ring times for the 991.2 GT3 RS and 991 GT2 RS were rocking top drawer professional racing drivers and running r skinned tires? and the latest 2RS time was a Manthey modified car and why an ADAC 24hr driver was well off that pace for both the 2RS and 3RS II......................................please with your vast knowledge of Porsche and its motorsport history tell us why its important................lots of dentists, lawyers, realtors and IT "professionals" rely on this information as they race to their respective meetings in their GT3s (mainly tourings) They need your special and gifted insight.

Perhaps it will tell us Kevin Estre is/was a better driver than Lars Kern or vice versa, or the new CUP2R (that give you 100km at track speed) are better than the old CUP2R, or the track tem was 20 degrees C and not 18 degrees C.....because thats where we're at.

Just to add some insight, Porsche (as a manufacturer of the GT4.......with the same engine it had going back eons, cos owners understood the engine - couldn't be bothered to give it a competitive engine but did give it hemp light weight components) were 7th out of eight manufacturers after 10 events in 2019 - IMSA Michellin Pilot Challenge and in 2020 after Road America, Sebring and Daytona Porsche are 6th out of eight and its only going to get worse. With BOP you need dynamic range......the ancient cop out GT4 engine doesn't give it dynamic range oooops.

Wonder how the race teams that got a good base cars and modified them are going.....................w onder how the Bestline Autotech, Hardpoint, Mcann and Peregrine Racing Audis are going, as a manufacturer seems to be first. Funny that.

obbob

I've never seen someone get so triggered by other people wanting to see a lap time. No one cares that you can drop a dictionary of motorsport facts, so why do you care that someone is interested in what the official Ring time is?

smiles11

Is that you @SillyGoose ?

Drifting

Agree completely

ipse dixit

smiles11

I think @groundhog should go back to that break from RL.

Hex

We're not talking about motorsports; we're talking about the way you comport yourself.

groundhog

No, you're gas lighting, not dealing with facts and playing the man. Thats marks you and a couple of the others above out. Then again its the sort of common petty behaviour that far too many Porsche owners display. Man up, have a debate or just b*gger off.

Once again, the GT3 lap times don't really matter unless (1) you think you're as good as Lars Kern (2) have a whole pile of CUP2R with tire warmers and ready to go at your disposal and (3) have a clear ring ~ 20 degrees C on a dry day (4) checking the goods out to see if it may make a decent base to work from.

Moreover, the current cars e.g. GT3RS and GT2RS are very much tire limited - there is a pile of headroom in them. In contrast the GT3 needs a lot of improvement - however, so much will be dependant on the way Porsche sees the market going. I suspect it will end up being an ever bigger, faster, soft roader.

You'll love it in the US.

Me, I'm going 765LT as my fun car and I'll stick with current RS as my comp car for a cpl of years, probably look at the 992.2 RS - hopefully they will keep developing it into a somewhat more focussed package than it is currently (a) far too heavy and (b) needs more torque