View Poll Results: What do you use?
None.
10
12.35%
Waze with Radar
11
13.58%
A PBA card
2
2.47%
ALP
0
0%
ALP with Net Radar
2
2.47%
ALP with Bel
3
3.70%
ALP with Escort
4
4.94%
K40
4
4.94%
Escort
28
34.57%
V1
15
18.52%
Other, please comment
2
2.47%
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Radar/Laser Combination
05-03-2017, 03:50 PM
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Radar/Laser Combination
Having gone through many threads on the subject of Radars, Laser Jammers and such I was wondering what is the most popular combination, if any. The list of combinations seem to be endless but I was mostly curious what people use for defense in these matters?
05-03-2017, 03:58 PM
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i've got the K40 L/jammer in the front and the Radar detection front and back. Mfffff, i've seen troopers pointing the laser at me and "Nada" sometimes... i know my windscreen escort can pick-em up out further than this installed one. 1-10 id give it a 4-5
05-03-2017, 04:57 PM
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V1 has saved me a handful of times over the 15 years of ownership. 
Driving smart has saved me many more times.
Driving smart has saved me many more times.
05-03-2017, 05:18 PM
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I had the 9500ci and loved it. I wanted a clean, all-in-one solution and it did the job well.
With that said, it's well known that ALP is the way to go for laser shifting. HOWEVER, Escort's new MAX Ci 360 is supposed to be competitive to ALP while providing great radar capabilities w/ directional arrows. The downside? It's pretty expensive.
With that said, it's well known that ALP is the way to go for laser shifting. HOWEVER, Escort's new MAX Ci 360 is supposed to be competitive to ALP while providing great radar capabilities w/ directional arrows. The downside? It's pretty expensive.
05-03-2017, 05:22 PM
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I'm using the Passport Max II on a Blendmount under my rearview mirror. I don't have a laser shifting product. Laser shifters are illegal in Colorado, and I worry about that if I ever get pulled over.
When I bought my 997 turbo, it had a very nice system installed. My local Porsche dealer removed it prior to the sale, stating that they could not CPO the car with the product installed.
When I bought my 997 turbo, it had a very nice system installed. My local Porsche dealer removed it prior to the sale, stating that they could not CPO the car with the product installed.
05-03-2017, 05:32 PM
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I was mostly curious if people only use ALP, or if in combination with a certain radar detector. There was no consensus except that ALP is well regarded. It seems like laser jammers/shifters are quite effective but I think radar is needed just as much as a line of "defense."
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
05-03-2017, 05:35 PM
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And, in the interest of full disclosure, I voted PBA card. It has worked 90% of the time for me. I just show them the card and they just say: "be careful." A friend used his NYPD PBA card in Arizona. He got out of the ticket but the LEO kept the card, said: "I collect these."
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05-03-2017, 05:55 PM
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I was mostly curious if people only use ALP, or if in combination with a certain radar detector. There was no consensus except that ALP is well regarded. It seems like laser jammers/shifters are quite effective but I think radar is needed just as much as a line of "defense."
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
05-03-2017, 06:20 PM
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I was mostly curious if people only use ALP, or if in combination with a certain radar detector. There was no consensus except that ALP is well regarded. It seems like laser jammers/shifters are quite effective but I think radar is needed just as much as a line of "defense."
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
I personally would prefer something that doesn't require a windshield mount. It looks cleaner and more inconspicuous. The ALP would offer that, but what about for a radar detector?
05-03-2017, 06:55 PM
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It seems as though most are only using a Radar...not what I expected but still good to know.
05-03-2017, 06:58 PM
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From what I have read, the 9500ci doesn't protect against Dragoneye and Escort hasn't done anything to improve the software in years, yet still charges $2k if you buy the kit and then have to install it. I've had 2 9500cis and am reluctant to buy a third.
I'm thinking ALP plus some radar detector.
I'm thinking ALP plus some radar detector.
05-03-2017, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Keadog
From what I have read, the 9500ci doesn't protect against Dragoneye and Escort hasn't done anything to improve the software in years, yet still charges $2k if you buy the kit and then have to install it. I've had 2 9500cis and am reluctant to buy a third.
I'm thinking ALP plus some radar detector.
I'm thinking ALP plus some radar detector.
05-04-2017, 12:12 AM
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I'm no expert here 
but I'm happy to share my thoughts – for what they're worth.
The radar and laser industry is a constant "cat and mouse" game between LEO technology, the geographic distribution of that technology, and the defense systems we have to protect us. Both sides are constantly adapting and improving, which means there is going to be a wide array of products at different performance levels available at any given time. These are my most current recommendations:
Good – Valentine One or Escort MAX360 (Portables)
I'm not a huge fan of portable/windshield mount radar detectors, but I can't deny the market for something under $1,000 that doesn't require someone to have a quality integration shop in their area. Both of these detectors are great in their own ways. The V1 is going to have a bit better performance when it comes to detection range and proper directional alerts(front vs rear radar signals). That's really the only thing the V1 has going for it though. It's design hasn't changed in decades, so it looks like it belongs on the visor of a Winnebago, and the alert tone and display are a bit of a nuisance in my opinion. I've had a V1 in the past that I only broke out for car club runs and long trips – city use made me want to throw it out the window.
The Escort MAX360 is, in my opinion, the most "well-balanced" portable on the market. Since V1 lost their patent on direction alerts, Escort now has that feature built into this unit. It's not as reliable as the V1 since the tech is new for them this year, but it's not substantially worse. The best part about the MAX360 is that it incorporates Escorts patented GPS logic. This logic stores the coordinates and frequency of every alert you get. Pass the same stationary alert three times and it locks that signal out, knowing that it's a grocery store door sensor or road sign. It also allows the power to automatically vary based on speed, giving you full-tilt on the highway and a livable range in the city. Overall, both are great choices, it really just depends on what's more important to you – the top performance or the most livable system. Still, we have absolutely no laser defense with either system. Since laser is line-of-sight, a detector-only setup can only notify you that you're about to receive a ticket. For that reason, I highly recommend laser jamming.
Better – Portable Radar w/ Anti-Laser Priority Jammers
There's no denying that Anti-Laser Priority(ALP) has dominated the market over the past couple of years with the most advanced and up-to-date laser jammers in the US. The company is constantly evaluating the in-field data and making changes to boost the performance and effectiveness of their system. That's something we've never seen in this industry before, so I give them a lot of respect for that. As a company that focuses on tech, the aesthetics of their controller are awful and really should be hidden in most applications, but that's easy enough in a 991 w/ a smoker's package.
I recommend dual front as a minimum, triple front is best, and dual rear is recommended but not a huge deal if it's outside the budget. Rear laser acquisition only accounts for roughly 2-5% of the hits we see in the US, but of course that varies based on what your local geography allows for. So caveat emptor.
Best – Beltronics STiR+ and ALP Laser (fully integrated systems)
Having a built-in radar detection system you gain a good deal of range performance as well as the ability to clear the windshield of electronics and opt for a full-integrated system – something that really feels like part of the car. Like the Escort MAX Portable unit, the BEL STiR+ offers the best "well-rounded" user experience for the cost. Because they are made by Escort, you still get all the great GPS-Enables features like auto-lockout and variable speed sensitivity. Not to mention the added benefit of a database of red light and speed cameras across the country to pre-warn you of upcoming threats.
Using this system in conjunction with the ALP laser gives you the best performance in both categories. That said, Escort JUST released the new MAX CI fully integrated systems with upgraded laser jammers. In private testing, the new Escort all-in-one system is going to be the best choice over the BEL/ALP combo. Since I have yet to install one(give me a couple weeks) I can't make any direct comments – but I will soon!
Just my .02¢
but I'm happy to share my thoughts – for what they're worth. The radar and laser industry is a constant "cat and mouse" game between LEO technology, the geographic distribution of that technology, and the defense systems we have to protect us. Both sides are constantly adapting and improving, which means there is going to be a wide array of products at different performance levels available at any given time. These are my most current recommendations:
Good – Valentine One or Escort MAX360 (Portables)
I'm not a huge fan of portable/windshield mount radar detectors, but I can't deny the market for something under $1,000 that doesn't require someone to have a quality integration shop in their area. Both of these detectors are great in their own ways. The V1 is going to have a bit better performance when it comes to detection range and proper directional alerts(front vs rear radar signals). That's really the only thing the V1 has going for it though. It's design hasn't changed in decades, so it looks like it belongs on the visor of a Winnebago, and the alert tone and display are a bit of a nuisance in my opinion. I've had a V1 in the past that I only broke out for car club runs and long trips – city use made me want to throw it out the window.
The Escort MAX360 is, in my opinion, the most "well-balanced" portable on the market. Since V1 lost their patent on direction alerts, Escort now has that feature built into this unit. It's not as reliable as the V1 since the tech is new for them this year, but it's not substantially worse. The best part about the MAX360 is that it incorporates Escorts patented GPS logic. This logic stores the coordinates and frequency of every alert you get. Pass the same stationary alert three times and it locks that signal out, knowing that it's a grocery store door sensor or road sign. It also allows the power to automatically vary based on speed, giving you full-tilt on the highway and a livable range in the city. Overall, both are great choices, it really just depends on what's more important to you – the top performance or the most livable system. Still, we have absolutely no laser defense with either system. Since laser is line-of-sight, a detector-only setup can only notify you that you're about to receive a ticket. For that reason, I highly recommend laser jamming.
Better – Portable Radar w/ Anti-Laser Priority Jammers
There's no denying that Anti-Laser Priority(ALP) has dominated the market over the past couple of years with the most advanced and up-to-date laser jammers in the US. The company is constantly evaluating the in-field data and making changes to boost the performance and effectiveness of their system. That's something we've never seen in this industry before, so I give them a lot of respect for that. As a company that focuses on tech, the aesthetics of their controller are awful and really should be hidden in most applications, but that's easy enough in a 991 w/ a smoker's package.
I recommend dual front as a minimum, triple front is best, and dual rear is recommended but not a huge deal if it's outside the budget. Rear laser acquisition only accounts for roughly 2-5% of the hits we see in the US, but of course that varies based on what your local geography allows for. So caveat emptor.
Best – Beltronics STiR+ and ALP Laser (fully integrated systems)
Having a built-in radar detection system you gain a good deal of range performance as well as the ability to clear the windshield of electronics and opt for a full-integrated system – something that really feels like part of the car. Like the Escort MAX Portable unit, the BEL STiR+ offers the best "well-rounded" user experience for the cost. Because they are made by Escort, you still get all the great GPS-Enables features like auto-lockout and variable speed sensitivity. Not to mention the added benefit of a database of red light and speed cameras across the country to pre-warn you of upcoming threats.
Using this system in conjunction with the ALP laser gives you the best performance in both categories. That said, Escort JUST released the new MAX CI fully integrated systems with upgraded laser jammers. In private testing, the new Escort all-in-one system is going to be the best choice over the BEL/ALP combo. Since I have yet to install one(give me a couple weeks) I can't make any direct comments – but I will soon!
Just my .02¢
05-04-2017, 12:45 AM
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I'm no expert here but I'm happy to share my thoughts – for what they're worth.
The radar and laser industry is a constant "cat and mouse" game between LEO technology, the geographic distribution of that technology, and the defense systems we have to protect us. Both sides are constantly adapting and improving, which means there is going to be a wide array of products at different performance levels available at any given time. These are my most current recommendations:
Good – Valentine One or Escort MAX360 (Portables)
I'm not a huge fan of portable/windshield mount radar detectors, but I can't deny the market for something under $1,000 that doesn't require someone to have a quality integration shop in their area. Both of these detectors are great in their own ways. The V1 is going to have a bit better performance when it comes to detection range and proper directional alerts(front vs rear radar signals). That's really the only thing the V1 has going for it though. It's design hasn't changed in decades, so it looks like it belongs on the visor of a Winnebago, and the alert tone and display are a bit of a nuisance in my opinion. I've had a V1 in the past that I only broke out for car club runs and long trips – city use made me want to throw it out the window.
The Escort MAX360 is, in my opinion, the most "well-balanced" portable on the market. Since V1 lost their patent on direction alerts, Escort now has that feature built into this unit. It's not as reliable as the V1 since the tech is new for them this year, but it's not substantially worse. The best part about the MAX360 is that it incorporates Escorts patented GPS logic. This logic stores the coordinates and frequency of every alert you get. Pass the same stationary alert three times and it locks that signal out, knowing that it's a grocery store door sensor or road sign. It also allows the power to automatically vary based on speed, giving you full-tilt on the highway and a livable range in the city. Overall, both are great choices, it really just depends on what's more important to you – the top performance or the most livable system. Still, we have absolutely no laser defense with either system. Since laser is line-of-sight, a detector-only setup can only notify you that you're about to receive a ticket. For that reason, I highly recommend laser jamming.
Better – Portable Radar w/ Anti-Laser Priority Jammers
There's no denying that Anti-Laser Priority(ALP) has dominated the market over the past couple of years with the most advanced and up-to-date laser jammers in the US. The company is constantly evaluating the in-field data and making changes to boost the performance and effectiveness of their system. That's something we've never seen in this industry before, so I give them a lot of respect for that. As a company that focuses on tech, the aesthetics of their controller are awful and really should be hidden in most applications, but that's easy enough in a 991 w/ a smoker's package.
I recommend dual front as a minimum, triple front is best, and dual rear is recommended but not a huge deal if it's outside the budget. Rear laser acquisition only accounts for roughly 2-5% of the hits we see in the US, but of course that varies based on what your local geography allows for. So caveat emptor.
Best – Beltronics STiR+ and ALP Laser (fully integrated systems)
Having a built-in radar detection system you gain a good deal of range performance as well as the ability to clear the windshield of electronics and opt for a full-integrated system – something that really feels like part of the car. Like the Escort MAX Portable unit, the BEL STiR+ offers the best "well-rounded" user experience for the cost. Because they are made by Escort, you still get all the great GPS-Enables features like auto-lockout and variable speed sensitivity. Not to mention the added benefit of a database of red light and speed cameras across the country to pre-warn you of upcoming threats.
Using this system in conjunction with the ALP laser gives you the best performance in both categories. That said, Escort JUST released the new MAX CI fully integrated systems with upgraded laser jammers. In private testing, the new Escort all-in-one system is going to be the best choice over the BEL/ALP combo. Since I have yet to install one(give me a couple weeks) I can't make any direct comments – but I will soon!
Just my .02¢
but I'm happy to share my thoughts – for what they're worth. The radar and laser industry is a constant "cat and mouse" game between LEO technology, the geographic distribution of that technology, and the defense systems we have to protect us. Both sides are constantly adapting and improving, which means there is going to be a wide array of products at different performance levels available at any given time. These are my most current recommendations:
Good – Valentine One or Escort MAX360 (Portables)
I'm not a huge fan of portable/windshield mount radar detectors, but I can't deny the market for something under $1,000 that doesn't require someone to have a quality integration shop in their area. Both of these detectors are great in their own ways. The V1 is going to have a bit better performance when it comes to detection range and proper directional alerts(front vs rear radar signals). That's really the only thing the V1 has going for it though. It's design hasn't changed in decades, so it looks like it belongs on the visor of a Winnebago, and the alert tone and display are a bit of a nuisance in my opinion. I've had a V1 in the past that I only broke out for car club runs and long trips – city use made me want to throw it out the window.
The Escort MAX360 is, in my opinion, the most "well-balanced" portable on the market. Since V1 lost their patent on direction alerts, Escort now has that feature built into this unit. It's not as reliable as the V1 since the tech is new for them this year, but it's not substantially worse. The best part about the MAX360 is that it incorporates Escorts patented GPS logic. This logic stores the coordinates and frequency of every alert you get. Pass the same stationary alert three times and it locks that signal out, knowing that it's a grocery store door sensor or road sign. It also allows the power to automatically vary based on speed, giving you full-tilt on the highway and a livable range in the city. Overall, both are great choices, it really just depends on what's more important to you – the top performance or the most livable system. Still, we have absolutely no laser defense with either system. Since laser is line-of-sight, a detector-only setup can only notify you that you're about to receive a ticket. For that reason, I highly recommend laser jamming.
Better – Portable Radar w/ Anti-Laser Priority Jammers
There's no denying that Anti-Laser Priority(ALP) has dominated the market over the past couple of years with the most advanced and up-to-date laser jammers in the US. The company is constantly evaluating the in-field data and making changes to boost the performance and effectiveness of their system. That's something we've never seen in this industry before, so I give them a lot of respect for that. As a company that focuses on tech, the aesthetics of their controller are awful and really should be hidden in most applications, but that's easy enough in a 991 w/ a smoker's package.
I recommend dual front as a minimum, triple front is best, and dual rear is recommended but not a huge deal if it's outside the budget. Rear laser acquisition only accounts for roughly 2-5% of the hits we see in the US, but of course that varies based on what your local geography allows for. So caveat emptor.
Best – Beltronics STiR+ and ALP Laser (fully integrated systems)
Having a built-in radar detection system you gain a good deal of range performance as well as the ability to clear the windshield of electronics and opt for a full-integrated system – something that really feels like part of the car. Like the Escort MAX Portable unit, the BEL STiR+ offers the best "well-rounded" user experience for the cost. Because they are made by Escort, you still get all the great GPS-Enables features like auto-lockout and variable speed sensitivity. Not to mention the added benefit of a database of red light and speed cameras across the country to pre-warn you of upcoming threats.
Using this system in conjunction with the ALP laser gives you the best performance in both categories. That said, Escort JUST released the new MAX CI fully integrated systems with upgraded laser jammers. In private testing, the new Escort all-in-one system is going to be the best choice over the BEL/ALP combo. Since I have yet to install one(give me a couple weeks) I can't make any direct comments – but I will soon!
Just my .02¢
Thank you very much for the input.