nanozic

25371063 (can't find it on the US sites) https://www.kwsuspensions.net/produc..._kits/25371063

Supports both FAL and cars w/ or w/o PDCC. I ordered through my buddies shop who is a KW dealer.

Cyberbug

I checked with KW, 25371063 with FAL only cars, 25371043 fits cars without PDCC
I have FAL but not PDCC, I was told by KW that I would need 25371043

Cyberbug

More information on 25371043 vs 25371063

I called KW and got a very knowledgeable Technical person on the phone. He explained everything in detailed. BTW I spoke to a tech in US and UK

First - The US website is not up to date and overall the KW sites need to add a few things to the description which he explained
Both kits are for 991 2012+

Both kits are for cars with FAL or without (this he said needs to be updated)

25371043
is for cars with out PDCC
this kit does not come with PDCC cancellation resistors
This kit is listed for upto GTS model not Turbo

Spring rate for this kit - I have two sources for this with slightly conflicting information

US
41nm/235lbin - F
100nm/570lbin - R

UK (I believe this to be more accurate
52nm / 297lbsin- F
110nm / 628lbsin - R

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25371063
is for cars with or without PDCC
this kit comes with PDCC cancellation resistors
This kit is also listed for Tubro (model)

Spring rate for this kit

UK
59nm / 336lbsin- F
110nm / 628lbsin - R

You can easily go to KWsuspension.net and compare the two, one important thing to note is that 25371063 does not have front helper springs. See parts comparison below.

AdamSanta85

Just wanted to clarify something. There are no resistors or reason to cancel PDCC. To keep PDCC (Hydraulic sway bar end links) you just need to buy a kit that has the proper strut adapters, as these end links mount on the strut (at least in the front).

If you wanted to delete PASM (electronic dampers) you would want to use something like what KW sells with their V3 coilovers.

The kit for my car (2012 C2S w/ PDCC) is part number 25371045 (Non PDCC is 25371043)

https://www.kwsuspensions.net/produc..._kits/25371045

You can see the PDCC adapters on page 8 here (black strut bracket with 90 degree bend)
https://www.kwsuspensions.com/extras...Q/25371045.pdf

Cyberbug

I am just quoting what KW Tech told me - he said 25371063 comes with PDCC cancellation adaptor and when I asked what that is he said resistors. Just stating directly from KW. feel free to call them I am sure we all will get a different statement depending on which KW office we call and who we talk to

titleistaddict87

There is no way to cancel PDCC. Canceling PASM yes, but cancelling PDCC with resistors without removing the hydraulic drop links and replacing them with standard drop links would make for a very poor driving experience.

AdamSanta85

The KW rep Cyberbug talked to was clueless, and somehow conflated what is necessary to install their full coilover kit (V3 etc), PASM delete, with what is need to install their HAS kit, nothing. Regarding PDCC, you just need a kit with the correct end link bracket. Heck post number 1 is on a car with PDCC and you can see the correct mount.

I spoke to a KW rep yesterday who seemed decently knowledgeable, so at least there is someone over there that knows Porsche a bit.

KP993

One note to add, KW told me that this kit won’t work with centerlock wheels. That’s why I go with the H&R VTF adjustable spring kit.

Cyberbug

yeah he probably meant pasm and not pdcc ,,, who knows

but if you go to german or uk website and just punch in car details like 2019 Carrera T in my case, it gives the following HAS kits

with PDCC - 25371045
with FAL - 25371063

So these would be the correct for my car - I only have FAL and no PDCC.

medtech_expat

I have both FAL & PDCC, and after a few contradictory discussions with their US and German offices came away with the impression that HAS cannot support both.

Has anyone heard otherwise or can provide a link? I’ve had Techarts installed in the meantime but am still interested.

Vise

Incorrect... or at minimum he hasn't seen the kit installed on my GTS and several others on Rennlist.

Why would the kit not work with centerlock wheels??? It is just springs with ability to make adjustment... weird.

nanozic

Yeah, I saw the email discussion between the distributor and the dealer because I wanted to be sure I was ordering the correct kit, since I couldn't find any definitive answers on these forums and basically saw the same conclusion that you have here. My car only has FAL and no PDCC, so going with 25371063 was the recommendation from the distributor. Once everything gets installed I'll report back on the results.

KP993

I don't know why but that's what they told me and I don't want to take a chance. I have done my best to search online and Rennlist but I couldn't find anyone who actually did it on his .2 GTS with centrelock wheels. I am thinking it may have something to do with the inner wheel clearance. I just checked the offset of centrelock VS 5 lugs. The centrelock has 8mm and 13mm less front and rear inner wheel clearance than 5 lugs. When I have the H&R VTF installed on my .2 GTS my mechanic found that the inner tire rim protector is rubbing the spring a little bit. He has to rotate the spring so that the rim protector is in between the coils. With 5 lugs people usually installed spacers anyway so the clearance is a non issue.

I can see that you have a .1 GTS and I am not sure if the centerlock has a different offset. Have you check your tire and see if it is actually rubbing? As it's only barely touching the spring you won't hear anything nor you will feel any performance issue, but if you check the inner tire rim protector you may find some evidence.

Ecosse911

+1

Can anyone confirm that there is a kit that fits the .2 GTS with CLs.

Thanks

titleistaddict87

Isn’t it a problem when the manufacturer’s rep doesn’t know his/her own product to be able to advise customers and promote their own product appropriately? Yikes KW