Good find, I have to say, especially if you are a Porsche driver. If you take away the turns however my butt meter says the M4 is much quicker.
J

 

The M4 is faster the only exception would be on a track. My wife's car is convertible BTW.

 

Just the false impression the torque from the turbos give. While close i don't think the M4 is faster.

 

As a former M2 owner I can wholeheartedly say that I'm glad to be back in a 991.

Its simply not the same car. Had mine for 3,000kms and drove it from Ontario Canada to Hershey PA for the swap meet and sold it a week later. Too upright of a seating position, doesn't corner like a 911, and felt like I had to brake earlier than the 911's I was driving with. Never had that same uncomfortable feeling while driving my 911's. It may be a good performance sedan but its not a performer like the 911.

 

Don't recommend an M4 at all. Numb steering, farty exhaust, power delivery nightmare and under sorted chassis = sideways at first try to turn off nannies and have some fun. Plus it's 9" longer than a 991 and 2 inches wider, equating to 400 additional pounds. I sold mine fast ... but would consider an M2 if I had space

Neither car can stand up to a 991, other than a traction control launch on dry pavement

 

On price alone, how is an M2 (or even an M4) a viable alternative to the 991.2 911 Carrera?

A base 991.2 911 starts at ~90k USD, while the M2 is ~51k USD and an M4 is about $66K.

Even a fully loaded M4 doesn't approach the base price of the 911.

An M2 and a 911 might be complementary cars, but not substitutes.

 

I am not sure how this thread became an M4 thread. I started this thread and my comparison was with the M2.
Perhaps someone should start a M4 vs. 991 thread?

 

Great job bmw. You built a car faster around a track than an SUV.

 

Fully loaded m4 is 90K.

 

Only just barely...

 

Your M2 experience seems to have been similar to mine. I drove the vehicle at Thermal, CA at BMW's M track day event and the M2 was perfectly balanced in handling and power but under braked. The brakes on my vehicle were warped were shuddering under any amount of braking.

Stephen

 

I think these conclusions are rather glib.
I suppose if your only purpose in buying a car was to be the fastest guy from point A to point B, there might be something to the "real bargain" notion. But then you'd have to also conclude the Focus RS, a Mustang and a Corvette are "real bargains." Point is, when you limit your interest in a car to just a couple of performance qualities, there are going to be lots of better bargains than a Porsche. Nothing new.
The M2 was built as a cheap car. An entry level M car. It was designed and de tuned so that it would not violate any M4 territory. And that starts with an off the shelf engine and ends with a **** poor rear view mirror. Add to that almost no options and you end up with a car which is inexpensive to build so that it can be sold at a low price.
Porsche doesn't build any 911 cars in that way. M2 / Porsche price comparisons are apples and oranges.

 

I sat in my first M2 today and seating position felt odd like I was twisted with my hands on the wheels. There were a few nice deviated stitching touches but overall the interior has a very poor / cheap feel throughout. This statement is coming not in comparison to my 991.1, but to my prior 2015 Audi S3 prestige exclusive edition interior which made the M2 feel like a chevrolet cavelier. They are not competitive at all within their price range for interior quality.

I haven't driven one and can't make any comments there, but I'm just not a fan of the M2 at all.

 

And a fully loaded 991.2 911 is probably north of 135K.

Your point is, what exactly?

 

I drove m4 the last couple of weeks. It's ok. Only have little seat time in m2. It's a good compromise. But, not light enough, not nimble enough IMO.
BMW has completely lost it. If you want a $60k dollar DD that makes your hair stand up. Gt350! Picked mine up a couple of days ago. Now, that's an engine. Sure, it's heavy, brakes are good, steering is ok, clutch feel is bad. But, that engine makes up for everything.