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The 991 versus the BMW M2 - My Observations

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Old 10-24-2016, 10:50 AM
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I haven't driven the m2 but did drive the m3 and it just has a fair amount of heft to it. It felt close to my f10 m5 so I wanted something lighter and more nimble feeling.

I'm hoping it's the m2. If not I'll jump into the m3
Old 10-24-2016, 11:50 AM
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Different cars for different needs / drivers.


Shouldn't compare track performance of the M2 with the 911 base cabrio, IMHO.


Aesthetics are important? No further questions, your honor.
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Funny, I had the same dilemma while shopping - I was annoyed at not finding a manual 997.2/991 and I tried the M2 - I also own a 1973 2002 so I'm not anti-bimmer at all. The dealer didn't even want me to test drive it at all! And it was marked up $10000 over MSRP just because... I sat in it and didn't like the driving position as much, nor did the looks of the car strike me as a $65000 car - more like a tarted up 2 series - which made the price a little unpalatable...

Eventually on a subsequent visit with another sales guy (same dealer) I did manage to take one out with the salesman. Sedate test drive requested on a new car, I cannot comment on turn-in or heel and toe-ing it, the torque was nice, steering was kinda numb, but overall the car just did not feel *special* like a 911 does... it's prettier than the old "pregnant cat" 1-series but for that price, I eventually found a 991. Yes, less torque. But not even close as far as blowing me away when I open the garage door !
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I put a deposit on a 2018 M2 CS. No real info on it yet but am hoping it may be special.
Old 10-24-2016, 08:57 PM
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There's a fun little YouTube video of a track comparo between the M2 and a Macan Turbo. One minute track, M2 barely beat the Macan.
Old 10-24-2016, 09:08 PM
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As a loyal BMW owner I think the M2 is a very sporty 2-door sedan. I would own one except I like cars from Stuttgart better (and I don't mean Mercedes)

Part of Porsche ownership has to be exclusivity. BMW sold over 1.9 million vehicles in 2015 globally. Porsche 225,000.
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I just can't get over M3/4 costing 90K and M6's being double... since when? jeesh. Cars are just getting too crazy priced in general!
Old 10-24-2016, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapture1
I put a deposit on a 2018 M2 CS. No real info on it yet but am hoping it may be special.
What's a CS?
Old 10-24-2016, 09:28 PM
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^^A rumored variant of the M2, forgot what the CS stands for...coupe sport, club sport or something.

I have 2 bummers and it sounds interesting. Might get the S55 motor of the M3/4 and close to or at 400HP, few pounds lighter too.

Let's see...
Old 10-25-2016, 12:52 AM
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interesting thoughts here. i'm in the market, again, for a new car. I'm trying to get my hands on a 2014 C2S with 15k miles, PDK, basic steering wheel (blah) which is a little over $80k. The M2 is on my radar but is going for $5-10k over MSRP everywhere I look, even on leftover 2016 models. I'm also really considering a new M3 because they can be had at under MSRP. I've had two of the new F80 M3s and they're awesome but I talked myself out of them somehow. I have kids in car seats so the 991.1 isn't perfect, but in a year or so we'll be looking at boosters and it'll make more sense. the M2 actually seems to accommodate car seats better which i find weird, but it has to do with the bucket shape of the 991.1 seats.

the M2 sounds like a really FUN car. i think it looks aggressive as well but the interior quality is more along the lines of the base 2series than the other M cars. as noted by others though, the price makes the M2 a much better proposition, but not a replacement for the finer quality found in other cars. much like the Ford GT350. it has presence, performance, sound, but when you sit in it and look around.... :-/
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Never driven the M2 though it's look (both exterior and interior) turned me off.

I did drive M4 and I can tell you it handled like a tank. I dont know what BMW did but M4 is not close to porsche in terms of handling.

I drove the M4 for about 40 minute and I honestly dont have anything interesting to say about it, except it was very fast in straight line and it looked quite good.

If you search youtube for "seen through glass", he says the exact the same thing.

If M2 is such a driver's car, M4 shouldn't be that far off. Anyways, dont know what BMW is thinking. I would buy M4 if it actually handled like a M car of the old days.
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Originally Posted by go.illini
As a loyal BMW owner I think the M2 is a very sporty 2-door sedan. I would own one except I like cars from Stuttgart better (and I don't mean Mercedes)

Part of Porsche ownership has to be exclusivity. BMW sold over 1.9 million vehicles in 2015 globally. Porsche 225,000.
Funny enough I think in 2016 there are probably less M2s than GT3 RSs.
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Originally Posted by gary.lee
I did drive M4 and I can tell you it handled like a tank. I dont know what BMW did but M4 is not close to porsche in terms of handling.
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What BMW did? They wanted to make a car they could sell to people that really don't drive anymore. People that grew up boosting hondas and have found their way into careers and good jobs that used to argue about trap speeds and 0-60 times in the early days of internet forums.

That's what BMW did.
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Originally Posted by evanecent03
I have kids in car seats so the 991.1 isn't perfect, but in a year or so we'll be looking at boosters and it'll make more sense. the M2 actually seems to accommodate car seats better which i find weird
In my recent experience with back pain from schlepping kids in and out of cars, forget that and either buy a 4 door (better yet something at Macan height, your back will thank you), or live with it and keep the 911. What I'm getting at is getting little ones belted into the backseat of a 2 door car will hurt just as much in a 991 as in an M2. Same deal. BTDT.

For the record I was gifted a used 911 specific booster seat that works great in all 911s, from 1965 to 991.2 ;-) Seat back is detachable and I removed it now, Kid is 5 and happy, just enough legroom.... Other kid is 9 and still comfy out back, but not for much longer...
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Originally Posted by GregD
In my recent experience with back pain from schlepping kids in and out of cars, forget that and either buy a 4 door (better yet something at Macan height, your back will thank you), or live with it and keep the 911. What I'm getting at is getting little ones belted into the backseat of a 2 door car will hurt just as much in a 991 as in an M2. Same deal. BTDT.

For the record I was gifted a used 911 specific booster seat that works great in all 911s, from 1965 to 991.2 ;-) Seat back is detachable and I removed it now, Kid is 5 and happy, just enough legroom.... Other kid is 9 and still comfy out back, but not for much longer...
+1. I have a 5 series for kid duty. I can take my daughter straight out of the shower and put her in brand new clothes in a clean house and carry her to the car. magically when she gets out, wherever she sat will be covered in dirt. Last weekend is was a gummy bear she sat on(she's 9 and now in the front seat sometimes) so she turned on the seat heater to make sure and melt it into the vented seat as good as she could.... I don't know how it happens but she's talented that way!


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